SG NO OPTIONS CSL 17950 Miles

nickjohnson · 03-05-2015, 02:04 AM

I bought this CSL from its third owner in 2010 with 16000 miles on for about £4000 less than what you would pay for an A/C model at the time (£28500)
I was told by the third owner there were only 15 no options cars made which I later found after I sold it the second time around that this was a lot less.
I sold it a week later for £31500 to one of my most memorable clients who at the time was 82 year old and also in ownership of a short wheel base Quattro sport ( Recently advertised on Classic and Sports cars for £495000 ) and series 1 GT3 996. Last year at 86 John decided he wanted a Vantage V12 so asked me to come and collect the car and was happy to take roughly what I sold it to him for

Like an E30 Evo Sport or Stradale the examples that become most desirable are the ones truest to the original concept. The launch poster for the CSL says "100% Muscle, 0 % Fat" so an extra 50 KGs of weight makes a full spec car a lardy piece of lardy cake!!! unlike the spec which posted the original official time round the ring of 7:50 by a no options LHD car.

Not sure if I dreamt this but are LHD CSLs supposed to be slightly quicker due to the exhaust manifolding needing to be changed to allow for the seat on the right and the steering column meaning slightly decreased flow?

Anyways I then sold it to a chap who stored it with me until now and hasnt even driven it!!!!! It covered 700 miles with its now 87 year old owner. in which time it had an inspection 2 service and brand new PS2s which are still 7.5 mm . We also had the subframes fixed by BMW Oxford ,which Id imagine was down to the 87 year boy racer launching it everywhere he went......just kidding although not about the subframe as that's no laughing matter

PDI 10/11/04
Running in service BMW 462miles 11/04
oil service BMW 10505miles 4/07
insp 1 BMW/Mini service centre 16124 10/09
insp 2 BMW 17394 4/12
oil BMW 17866 6/14

Subframe fixed with pictures May 2014

I also have pictures of the humidity controlled 500 year old barn the car was stored in whilst with John LLoyd who would be happy to talk about the car with any potential owner which I think helps to make everything a little more special as he, along with the services and paperwork, are part of the cars history.

So any thoughts on what I should sell it for?
I must also say Ive been involved with a good majority of the very low mileage CSLs sold in the UK over the past few years and none have as good history as this with about 7 out of the 10 sub 15000 mile cars having only had a running-in service and one other service and some of the sub 10000 mile cars Ive sold have only had their running in service done and nothing after that

I hope this car stays in this country too so ermmmmmmm maybe lets get a few people together and each put in £10000 and rap it up in a bubble until its 20th birthday and worth ( Doctor Evil finger to lips ) 1 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!! sorry about that

So I don't think its too out of the way to think that CSLs will be £50000 to £150000 with in 5 to 10 years . If you'd have told an E30 Evo Sport owner 10 years ago that his £15000 car would be worth £50000 in ten years they would have tilted their heads like a confused dog and stared blankly at you...... now theyre £100000 so CSLs doubling in the next ten years doesn't seem out of the question

nw99 · 03-05-2015, 03:03 AM

Would imagine it would sell for £85k

SMD · 03-05-2015, 08:29 AM

Is this my old option less ca i sold in 2009 with 11k miles?
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1738

I bought the car originally from Neil the forum founder.

Cheers

**shimmy** · 03-05-2015, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMD

Is this my old option less ca i sold in 2009 with 11k miles?
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1738

I bought the car originally from Neil the forum founder.

Cheers

thats gotta slash its value

nice car NIck, hope it sells for £100k

Scott · 03-05-2015, 09:51 AM

Nick, sounds like you have a car with a great story behind it and one that would put any new owner at ease. I would suggest that if the condition matches the history then you should be advertising it for £99,000. I can't see another car like that coming up for sale and I know for a fact the other optionless car has more than double the miles

Yanto · 03-05-2015, 10:11 AM

Depends who you ask

Does sound nice though. Be interesting to see how it fares. GLWS

nw99 · 03-05-2015, 10:50 AM

Any pictures we can look at Nick

MCSL · 03-05-2015, 12:57 PM

My 2p from recent experience..

5 owner. 18k miles. 80-90% service history. I'd of thought starting with a 7 - possibly 75k will snap it up quickly

These cars are moving up in value - FACT. They are becoming very safe cars - it's virtually a given (at worst case scenario) you can buy, use, and not lose a penny. At best - after expenses - still get a return on your money. I think (and from talking to a few people-in-the-know recently) that CSL's values will increase somewhere between 10-15% over the next 12-18 months.

If in rush to sell chance it at 79k - I don't think you'll get many bites or nibbles over this.

GLWS

bryce · 03-05-2015, 01:15 PM

Well there is obviously a bit of debate on the 1 of 3 (maybe two now?) Optionless cars but what I would say Nick is, you have no other car on the market - and wont have either - that is comparable to what you have just now. Thus, if you don't try you don't get...

I reckon it'll end up in Hong Kong, as those boys don't fuck about

cslgirl · 03-05-2015, 01:23 PM

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...sl-lhd/3774830

Wonder how much this one is up for? Anyone know?

03-05-2015, 02:04 AM	#1
nickjohnson S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Abingdon Posts: 64 Casino cash: $578	SG NO OPTIONS CSL 17950 Miles I bought this CSL from its third owner in 2010 with 16000 miles on for about £4000 less than what you would pay for an A/C model at the time (£28500) I was told by the third owner there were only 15 no options cars made which I later found after I sold it the second time around that this was a lot less. I sold it a week later for £31500 to one of my most memorable clients who at the time was 82 year old and also in ownership of a short wheel base Quattro sport ( Recently advertised on Classic and Sports cars for £495000 ) and series 1 GT3 996. Last year at 86 John decided he wanted a Vantage V12 so asked me to come and collect the car and was happy to take roughly what I sold it to him for Like an E30 Evo Sport or Stradale the examples that become most desirable are the ones truest to the original concept. The launch poster for the CSL says "100% Muscle, 0 % Fat" so an extra 50 KGs of weight makes a full spec car a lardy piece of lardy cake!!! unlike the spec which posted the original official time round the ring of 7:50 by a no options LHD car. Not sure if I dreamt this but are LHD CSLs supposed to be slightly quicker due to the exhaust manifolding needing to be changed to allow for the seat on the right and the steering column meaning slightly decreased flow? Anyways I then sold it to a chap who stored it with me until now and hasnt even driven it!!!!! It covered 700 miles with its now 87 year old owner. in which time it had an inspection 2 service and brand new PS2s which are still 7.5 mm . We also had the subframes fixed by BMW Oxford ,which Id imagine was down to the 87 year boy racer launching it everywhere he went......just kidding although not about the subframe as that's no laughing matter PDI 10/11/04 Running in service BMW 462miles 11/04 oil service BMW 10505miles 4/07 insp 1 BMW/Mini service centre 16124 10/09 insp 2 BMW 17394 4/12 oil BMW 17866 6/14 Subframe fixed with pictures May 2014 I also have pictures of the humidity controlled 500 year old barn the car was stored in whilst with John LLoyd who would be happy to talk about the car with any potential owner which I think helps to make everything a little more special as he, along with the services and paperwork, are part of the cars history. So any thoughts on what I should sell it for? I must also say Ive been involved with a good majority of the very low mileage CSLs sold in the UK over the past few years and none have as good history as this with about 7 out of the 10 sub 15000 mile cars having only had a running-in service and one other service and some of the sub 10000 mile cars Ive sold have only had their running in service done and nothing after that I hope this car stays in this country too so ermmmmmmm maybe lets get a few people together and each put in £10000 and rap it up in a bubble until its 20th birthday and worth ( Doctor Evil finger to lips ) 1 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!! sorry about that So I don't think its too out of the way to think that CSLs will be £50000 to £150000 with in 5 to 10 years . If you'd have told an E30 Evo Sport owner 10 years ago that his £15000 car would be worth £50000 in ten years they would have tilted their heads like a confused dog and stared blankly at you...... now theyre £100000 so CSLs doubling in the next ten years doesn't seem out of the question

03-05-2015, 03:03 AM	#2
nw99 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South East Posts: 580 Casino cash: $12226	Would imagine it would sell for £85k Last edited by nw99; 03-05-2015 at 08:55 AM.

03-05-2015, 09:51 AM	#5
Scott S3 - On the open road Join Date: May 2014 Location: Scotland Posts: 117 Casino cash: $7482	Nick, sounds like you have a car with a great story behind it and one that would put any new owner at ease. I would suggest that if the condition matches the history then you should be advertising it for £99,000. I can't see another car like that coming up for sale and I know for a fact the other optionless car has more than double the miles Last edited by Scott; 03-05-2015 at 09:54 AM.

03-05-2015, 08:29 AM	#3
SMD S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1,505 Casino cash: $10726	Is this my old option less ca i sold in 2009 with 11k miles? http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1738 I bought the car originally from Neil the forum founder. Cheers

03-05-2015, 10:11 AM	#6
Yanto CSL Register Uber-poster! Moon Lander Champion! Ragdoll Master Champion! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Docklands, London Posts: 5,931 Casino cash: $40036	Depends who you ask Does sound nice though. Be interesting to see how it fares. GLWS

03-05-2015, 10:50 AM	#7
nw99 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South East Posts: 580 Casino cash: $12226	Any pictures we can look at Nick

03-05-2015, 12:57 PM	#8
MCSL S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 326 Casino cash: $4114	My 2p from recent experience.. 5 owner. 18k miles. 80-90% service history. I'd of thought starting with a 7 - possibly 75k will snap it up quickly These cars are moving up in value - FACT. They are becoming very safe cars - it's virtually a given (at worst case scenario) you can buy, use, and not lose a penny. At best - after expenses - still get a return on your money. I think (and from talking to a few people-in-the-know recently) that CSL's values will increase somewhere between 10-15% over the next 12-18 months. If in rush to sell chance it at 79k - I don't think you'll get many bites or nibbles over this. GLWS

03-05-2015, 01:15 PM	#9
bryce S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scotland (sw) Posts: 1,369 Casino cash: $2512	Well there is obviously a bit of debate on the 1 of 3 (maybe two now?) Optionless cars but what I would say Nick is, you have no other car on the market - and wont have either - that is comparable to what you have just now. Thus, if you don't try you don't get... I reckon it'll end up in Hong Kong, as those boys don't fuck about

03-05-2015, 01:23 PM	#10
cslgirl S6, Sport On, Traction Off Simon Champion! Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,500 Casino cash: $33404	http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...sl-lhd/3774830 Wonder how much this one is up for? Anyone know?