Ds 2500 or rs-29's

sjb · 10-11-2013, 11:27 AM

I realise the Pagids are the holy grail as far as AP's and track days are concerned but what about if it's 99% road driving?? For the foreseeable future I don't see myself getting to a track (except a gentle first go at Brands maybe with my Brother in law) and gather from searching on here the pagids may be overkill. Then I read that as soon as you buy the AP kit you should junk the Ferodo's that come with it and get the Pagids.
I've got Brembo's all round and after Munich Legends kindly 'agitated' the ABS unit and re-bled the system for me I've got a nice firm pedal but no real bite from the standard material textars that have done a good few miles so should have bedded in by now....
Am I right in thinking Ferodo's are fine for fast road work and Pagids for track??
It's also £200 v's £500 for Ferodo v's Pagid

Cheers

gav · 10-11-2013, 12:09 PM

The ferodos are probably fine for what you are using them for.
The rs29's are very good. I would only put the ferodos back on if was only doing road and wanted a less agressive pad.
Depends what you want to spend at the moment.
Why not just use the ones up that you have and make a decision later?

sjb · 10-11-2013, 12:16 PM

To be honest I'm a bit underwhelmed at the bite of the present standard pads, for some reason I wimped out when it came to buying the pads for this conversion! I'm not worried about the money, the textars only cost £100 all in and I'm happy to tinker away and change them myself. I would be happy to pay for the pagids if they are usable for the road and I certainly drive the car spiritedly so I want to get a better feel from the brembo's whatever it costs...I have messed around with pad types before on previous cars and have always been amazed at the feel you get from different pads...

gav · 10-11-2013, 12:34 PM

Ok,
Go for the pagids.
Most people on this forum would agree i'm sure.
Email Martin, trackm3 on this forum. Ive found him to be very helpful in the past.

Neil M · 10-11-2013, 12:44 PM

RS 29's for everything, can be a bit squeaky but only wakes the pedestrians up they're not so bad once warmed up.

Pip1968 · 10-11-2013, 12:49 PM

Personally and I am not expert, I would get the Ferodo DS2500s or stick with what you already have ie. the Textar ones. I track my car two to three times a year at the Nordschleife and just change the front pads to RS29 for the track. The rears remain as DS2500 for track and road.

I tend to be quite mechanically sympathetic when tracking in that I do two or three laps and then rest allowing the engine, brakes and tyres too cool down.

More aggressive pads like RS29s are not only more expensive but also mean that you will be changing your discs more often. Fuchsrohre an old M3Forum member that many will remember from days of old was one of those who said there was not even a need for BBKs like AP and Brembo (track incl). Whilst I am not in that school of thought I am not sure an aggressive set up as are RS29s, is required for road use. RS29s are best and come into their own when hot and well used (constant use as opposed to worn down) compared to an OEM set up which may fade.

Others will be along I am sure but for road use unless you have money to burn why not stick to Textar or DS2500.

Failing that I am sure you could pick up a second hand set and give them a go. I have an old set of fronts (RS29) which were on my APs that are down to the wear markers that you can have gratis if they fit in a Brembo set up (look up my post in the technical section a month or so ago). I am not sure if that is workable. I do remember when they were new nearly hitting my head on the steering wheel due to the firm bite but then the discs were newish too.

Pip

**shimmy** · 10-11-2013, 01:16 PM

DS2500 will be fine for 100% road use, but if you do 1% trackuse they will be no good and you wish you would have had Rs29

GregorJP · 10-11-2013, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy

DS2500 will be fine for 100% road use, but if you do 1% trackuse they will be no good and you wish you would have had Rs29

Agree with this. I would also say that the RS29s are pretty good on the road too. When I bought the AP kit, I junked the front pads that came with the front kit and switched them for PF01s. They work well, but very dusty. I've got RS29s on my GTR and they are strong.

On the CSL, I kept the pads that were supplied with the AP rear kit and they worked perfectly well on the road.

**shimmy** · 10-11-2013, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregorJP

Agree with this. I would also say that the RS29s are pretty good on the road too. When I bought the AP kit, I junked the front pads that came with the front kit and switched them for PF01s. They work well, but very dusty. I've got RS29s on my GTR and they are strong.

On the CSL, I kept the pads that were supplied with the AP rear kit and they worked perfectly well on the road.

Yes perfectly usable but if your CSL was a daily drive, it would be a lot mores enable to have ds2500 or another road pad.

sjb · 10-11-2013, 07:28 PM

Cheers all for the advice. I've just ordered a full set of RS-29's from design911 for £480 all in, cheapest by a long way on the net. For some reason Porsche/Brembo pads are way more expensive than AP pads!
I've decided that I will do at least one track day at Brands soon and of course that will lead to an addiction

so I would probably be making the purchase a bit further down the line anyway. I can live with a bit of a squeal when cold if need be and even if they are a bit dead when stone cold they wont be any worse than what I have now....

10-11-2013, 11:27 AM	#1
sjb S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Brighton. Posts: 372 Casino cash: $6192	Ds 2500 or rs-29's I realise the Pagids are the holy grail as far as AP's and track days are concerned but what about if it's 99% road driving?? For the foreseeable future I don't see myself getting to a track (except a gentle first go at Brands maybe with my Brother in law) and gather from searching on here the pagids may be overkill. Then I read that as soon as you buy the AP kit you should junk the Ferodo's that come with it and get the Pagids. I've got Brembo's all round and after Munich Legends kindly 'agitated' the ABS unit and re-bled the system for me I've got a nice firm pedal but no real bite from the standard material textars that have done a good few miles so should have bedded in by now.... Am I right in thinking Ferodo's are fine for fast road work and Pagids for track?? It's also £200 v's £500 for Ferodo v's Pagid Cheers __________________ Car no. 406

10-11-2013, 12:16 PM	#3
sjb S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Brighton. Posts: 372 Casino cash: $6192	To be honest I'm a bit underwhelmed at the bite of the present standard pads, for some reason I wimped out when it came to buying the pads for this conversion! I'm not worried about the money, the textars only cost £100 all in and I'm happy to tinker away and change them myself. I would be happy to pay for the pagids if they are usable for the road and I certainly drive the car spiritedly so I want to get a better feel from the brembo's whatever it costs...I have messed around with pad types before on previous cars and have always been amazed at the feel you get from different pads... __________________ Car no. 406

10-11-2013, 12:34 PM	#4
gav S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 211 Casino cash: $9245	Ok, Go for the pagids. Most people on this forum would agree i'm sure. Email Martin, trackm3 on this forum. Ive found him to be very helpful in the past. Last edited by gav; 10-11-2013 at 12:37 PM.

10-11-2013, 12:44 PM	#5
Neil M Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,340 Casino cash: $19143	RS 29's for everything, can be a bit squeaky but only wakes the pedestrians up they're not so bad once warmed up. __________________ “With the CSL, BMW have achieved The Ultimate Driving Machine” SG CSL '051'

10-11-2013, 01:16 PM	#7
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	DS2500 will be fine for 100% road use, but if you do 1% trackuse they will be no good and you wish you would have had Rs29 __________________ .

10-11-2013, 12:09 PM	#2
gav S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 211 Casino cash: $9245	The ferodos are probably fine for what you are using them for. The rs29's are very good. I would only put the ferodos back on if was only doing road and wanted a less agressive pad. Depends what you want to spend at the moment. Why not just use the ones up that you have and make a decision later?

10-11-2013, 12:49 PM	#6
Pip1968 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kent, England Posts: 940 Casino cash: $8383	Personally and I am not expert, I would get the Ferodo DS2500s or stick with what you already have ie. the Textar ones. I track my car two to three times a year at the Nordschleife and just change the front pads to RS29 for the track. The rears remain as DS2500 for track and road. I tend to be quite mechanically sympathetic when tracking in that I do two or three laps and then rest allowing the engine, brakes and tyres too cool down. More aggressive pads like RS29s are not only more expensive but also mean that you will be changing your discs more often. Fuchsrohre an old M3Forum member that many will remember from days of old was one of those who said there was not even a need for BBKs like AP and Brembo (track incl). Whilst I am not in that school of thought I am not sure an aggressive set up as are RS29s, is required for road use. RS29s are best and come into their own when hot and well used (constant use as opposed to worn down) compared to an OEM set up which may fade. Others will be along I am sure but for road use unless you have money to burn why not stick to Textar or DS2500. Failing that I am sure you could pick up a second hand set and give them a go. I have an old set of fronts (RS29) which were on my APs that are down to the wear markers that you can have gratis if they fit in a Brembo set up (look up my post in the technical section a month or so ago). I am not sure if that is workable. I do remember when they were new nearly hitting my head on the steering wheel due to the firm bite but then the discs were newish too. Pip

10-11-2013, 07:28 PM	#10
sjb S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Brighton. Posts: 372 Casino cash: $6192	Cheers all for the advice. I've just ordered a full set of RS-29's from design911 for £480 all in, cheapest by a long way on the net. For some reason Porsche/Brembo pads are way more expensive than AP pads! I've decided that I will do at least one track day at Brands soon and of course that will lead to an addiction so I would probably be making the purchase a bit further down the line anyway. I can live with a bit of a squeal when cold if need be and even if they are a bit dead when stone cold they wont be any worse than what I have now.... __________________ Car no. 406 Last edited by sjb; 10-11-2013 at 07:33 PM.