SG NO OPTIONS CSL 17950 Miles
 

I bought this CSL from its third owner in 2010 with 16000 miles on for about £4000 less than what you would pay for an A/C model at the time (£28500)
I was told by the third owner there were only 15 no options cars made which I later found after I sold it the second time around that this was a lot less.
I sold it a week later for £31500 to one of my most memorable clients who at the time was 82 year old and also in ownership of a short wheel base Quattro sport ( Recently advertised on Classic and Sports cars for £495000 ) and series 1 GT3 996. Last year at 86 John decided he wanted a Vantage V12 so asked me to come and collect the car and was happy to take roughly what I sold it to him for :supz:
Like an E30 Evo Sport or Stradale the examples that become most desirable are the ones truest to the original concept. The launch poster for the CSL says "100% Muscle, 0 % Fat" so an extra 50 KGs of weight makes a full spec car a lardy piece of lardy cake!!! unlike the spec which posted the original official time round the ring of 7:50 by a no options LHD car.

Not sure if I dreamt this but are LHD CSLs supposed to be slightly quicker due to the exhaust manifolding needing to be changed to allow for the seat on the right and the steering column meaning slightly decreased flow?

Anyways I then sold it to a chap who stored it with me until now and hasnt even driven it!!!!! It covered 700 miles with its now 87 year old owner. in which time it had an inspection 2 service and brand new PS2s which are still 7.5 mm . We also had the subframes fixed by BMW Oxford ,which Id imagine was down to the 87 year boy racer launching it everywhere he went......just kidding although not about the subframe as that's no laughing matter ;)

PDI 10/11/04
Running in service BMW 462miles 11/04
oil service BMW 10505miles 4/07
insp 1 BMW/Mini service centre 16124 10/09
insp 2 BMW 17394 4/12
oil BMW 17866 6/14

Subframe fixed with pictures May 2014

I also have pictures of the humidity controlled 500 year old barn the car was stored in whilst with John LLoyd who would be happy to talk about the car with any potential owner which I think helps to make everything a little more special as he, along with the services and paperwork, are part of the cars history.

So any thoughts on what I should sell it for?
I must also say Ive been involved with a good majority of the very low mileage CSLs sold in the UK over the past few years and none have as good history as this with about 7 out of the 10 sub 15000 mile cars having only had a running-in service and one other service and some of the sub 10000 mile cars Ive sold have only had their running in service done and nothing after that :banghead:

I hope this car stays in this country too so ermmmmmmm maybe lets get a few people together and each put in £10000 and rap it up in a bubble until its 20th birthday and worth ( Doctor Evil finger to lips ) 1 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!! sorry about that:whistle:

So I don't think its too out of the way to think that CSLs will be £50000 to £150000 with in 5 to 10 years . If you'd have told an E30 Evo Sport owner 10 years ago that his £15000 car would be worth £50000 in ten years they would have tilted their heads like a confused dog and stared blankly at you...... now theyre £100000 so CSLs doubling in the next ten years doesn't seem out of the question :thumbs:

Would imagine it would sell for £85k

Is this my old option less ca i sold in 2009 with 11k miles?
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1738


I bought the car originally from Neil the forum founder.

Cheers

thats gotta slash its value :bigcry:


nice car NIck, hope it sells for £100k

Nick, sounds like you have a car with a great story behind it and one that would put any new owner at ease. I would suggest that if the condition matches the history then you should be advertising it for £99,000. I can't see another car like that coming up for sale and I know for a fact the other optionless car has more than double the miles :whistle:

Depends who you ask :hahaha:

Does sound nice though. Be interesting to see how it fares. GLWS :thumbs:

Any pictures we can look at Nick

My 2p from recent experience..

5 owner. 18k miles. 80-90% service history. I'd of thought starting with a 7 - possibly 75k will snap it up quickly

These cars are moving up in value - FACT. They are becoming very safe cars - it's virtually a given (at worst case scenario) you can buy, use, and not lose a penny. At best - after expenses - still get a return on your money. I think (and from talking to a few people-in-the-know recently) that CSL's values will increase somewhere between 10-15% over the next 12-18 months.

If in rush to sell chance it at 79k - I don't think you'll get many bites or nibbles over this.

GLWS :beer:

Well there is obviously a bit of debate on the 1 of 3 (maybe two now?) Optionless cars but what I would say Nick is, you have no other car on the market - and wont have either - that is comparable to what you have just now. Thus, if you don't try you don't get...

I reckon it'll end up in Hong Kong, as those boys don't fuck about

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...sl-lhd/3774830

Wonder how much this one is up for? Anyone know?

Well my thoughts are what would you compare it to at the moment? Maybe a 996 GT3? I think that a similar low mileage 18k mile 996 GT3 would maybe be 80k max. Honestly that would probably the collectors choice at that money. I think that 60k Nick for that CSL would probably be more reasonable..... I cannot it see it selling for more.....But hey if you can, then GLWS!

Agreed.

As long as all the parts on it are from the car...and not found their way onto another car.....

Do you honestly think the collector has to choose between the two...

In this new world of classic car collecting as it has evolved, not all collectors have the luxury of buying cars 2 at a time, if that's what you mean..

I just paid more than that for 6,250 mile car maybe I have overpaid then !

Yes but you didn't read what I said. 18k, 80kGBP...not 6250 miles. 6250 I am sure would be more than 80k. Maybe 90-100 then??

I wish it was ;)

CSL for sale?
 

Nick, I sent you a PM

No options cars are a very limited market, most buyers seem to prefer air-con particularly for Euro hoons and track days. Whilst 18,000 miles is low, it's not sufficiently low to warranty a significant premium (IMO). £60k would be very strong money for a car such as this. Ultimately it's worth what someone is prepared to pay - based on recent sales of sub 10,000 mile cars I believe this car's value to be in the mid 50s £k. IIRC it sold for slightly less than this 12 months ago.

However it's a strange world and people do strange things :)

I still maintain this car is for a collector and he'll want the purest version. He won't give a damn about air con when it's sitting in a bubble - I sure as hell don't with the mileage and usage my car gets.

As bias opinions go ;) you're right on the money :thumbs:

I also wonder what potential buyers will think of the less then perfect service history of that car with it's "Running In" service being done way too early meaning the cars engine may not have been run in as BMW intend and the scheduled servicing which falls outside the recommended 2 year intervals, on more than one occasion.

Isn't it strange that a collector, someone who never uses the car, would care whether they had a 20kg lighter car or not? I mean he's never going to use it and most certainly won't gain any physical benefit from the delete option anyway(not that you could actually tell). I also think that in this context, particularly for a CSL with no air con and stereo, but with power windows:hahaha:, to somehow be called "purest" version is nonsense really.....I think that is overstretching the term "pure". But that's just my opinion.:supz:

This car will be purchased by a collector as pure investment...plain and simple.

Sadly this car will not be bought with the intention of driver enjoyment.

As previously stated, the history being established, the car will go into a carcoon. Here ends the story.

Boring!

Still not getting it are you. It's got nothIng to do with weight saving. It's got nothing to do with creature comforts or lack or creature comforts. Yup, electric windows but that's the purest it came with. I don't think service history (run in service early) actually matters either.

This cars destined for a bubble and storage for 20+ years as the purest and closest to original design.

Ps. I'm just trying to justify my leggy optionless car as you are your legless fatty ;)

Ah, but mine comes with out the xenons! so Im nearly half way there to being.....pure!!:beer:

Has this car been advertised yet? :)

I suppose it won't matter much to someone who's not going to drive the car properly... if at all :banghead:
However, a genuine "M" car collector/enthusiast will know the original engine hasn't been run in properly :whistle:

Less is obviously more? :whistle:

I'll have two! :hahaha:

Yes wasn't planning on paying that much !

Me neither, plus was wondering if the lack of AC would be a problem for the occasional trip into Europe

As long as the windows would, better for hearing the noise the cars make :thumbs:

No options CSL
 

listen

I have a plan

lets all strip out xenons,aircon,radio and hey presto you've just added £50K to the value!!!!

£80K............Sorry but that's bollox.

PS I'm only bitter due do previously owning 2 sub 10K csl's.

what constitutes no-options??
 

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The most special and rare of all the CSL models
Only three 'No Options' cars were produced for the UK market


Hi, can you fonts of all CSL knowledge clarify exactly what constitutes a
"No Options" CSL ??

I ask as from the build sheet for my car it states order options which includes:-
alarm system, warning triangle, alloys, main battery switch, handbook amongst others

Then it has the Series Options which includes:-
dynamic stability control, anti dim interior mirror, on-board computer, individual high gloss satin chrome, white direction indicator lights, SMG drivelogic & lanuguage English

So No A/C, No Zenons, No Radio / CD, No parking sensors (just one fat B4574 'd who occasionally drives it)

Does this make mine a "No Option" CSL too ??

Perhaps I am the mystry one who would not sell for £100k too ???

Sorry, no. Carrying a warning triangle was not how BMW originally intended the car to be used. It's now worth 2p along with all the other "regular" CSL Luxo-barges :)