Who has a spare genuine bumper without flippers on?

**Mike R** · 11-03-2013, 03:57 PM

Basically I've bought one of these:
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9966

The finish isn't up to my standard and what I want to do is make a proper 4x4 twill pre-preg one. However, before I do, I want to make sure it actually fits a CSL bumper (and I haven't got a car yet).

It appears that one side of "notching" to make it fit a CSL bumper was done pre-lacquering and the other side post lacquering. Having had my carbon guy examine it in detail, if this is a genuine Vorsteiner item (as the stickers on it attempt to confirm), then the quality of their products to quote German - is scheiße

. However, I have no experience of their products to know if this is the case or not (anyone who has, feel free to comment).

I was hoping I could send it to a nice helpful owner, who could offer it up to their spare CSL bumper and confirm it does indeed fit to a satisfactory level, before I went to the hassle of making a proper one. Otherwise it means waiting until I get a car (which could be a couple of months at this rate).

Many thanks

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Steve B · 11-03-2013, 05:41 PM

Looking forward to seeing a CSL on gold rims.....

**Mike R** · 11-03-2013, 05:45 PM

Steve,
You shouldn't have posted

. As someone I know, do you fancy helping out

? I have no idea how easy it is to whip the flippers off? Do you want to see if this fits properly for me

?

You'll be pleased to know I don't think the CSL is cool enough to pull off all gold wheels

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Steve B · 11-03-2013, 05:46 PM

In all seriousness I'll test fit it to my car if you want as the std splitters pop off easy enough.

Steve

**Mike R** · 11-03-2013, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve B

In all seriousness I'll test fit it to my car if you want as the std splitters pop off easy enough.

Steve

PM me your address you want it sent to

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Steve B · 11-03-2013, 05:57 PM

PM coming you way.....

Steve

NZ_M3 · 12-03-2013, 01:03 AM

It fits ... I have 2 of those ... one in 1x1 and the other in 2x2.
The 1x1 is brand new and fitted like shit. I had to modify it quite a bit to get it to fit properly on a genuine CSL bumper.

I also have a vorsteiner CSL bumper and it fitted okay on that (shows the mould wasn't done very well).

The 2x2 that I have is second hand first generation mould and this fitted way better on the genuine CSL bumper, but doesn't actually fit the Vorsteiner CSL bumper LOL (it was too long).

Vorsteiner stuff is crap.

It's a single layer weaved fiberglass + a single layer of mesh + another layer of carbon fiber - and then vacuum infused. It is NOT pre-preg carbon fiber - far from it (it's the cheapest weight you can get basically). The epoxy they use is also shit - it has zero give and cracks like a mother fucker with any sort of flex.

Photo below: (note - there's actually a slight gap under the radiator opening - the older Vorsteiner lip (the 2x2 weave I have) have 5 holes in the lip so you can drill into the bumper to secure it with plastic clips) - the brand new 1x1 I had has no such holes - most of the guys in the USA just use black window silicon to glue this part on, I used double sided 3M VHT tape, still comes off at the track however - best solution if you are looking at fitting this properly is to drill the holes and use the clips.

I'll post up some more photos tonight of both the genuine bumper with the lip and the Vorsteiner bumper with the lip. I was actually playing with these just the other day!!

I also have the Vorsteiner CSL replica splitters (i.e. individual left and right hand side flippers as some on here like to call them) and believe it or not, these actually fit quite well on the genuine CSL bumper. Might be a cheap alternative for someone not wanting to go down the OEM route.

**Mike R** · 12-03-2013, 12:05 PM

Thanks so much for the pictures and comments, at least I know that it is supposed to be like that.

Steve,
If you could do whatever is necessary so that it fits perfectly on a standard bumper, I'd be forever in your debt

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Steve B · 12-03-2013, 12:16 PM

No probs

digi · 12-03-2013, 01:35 PM

I find the gen. looks way better. But thats just me.

I suppose it will protect the CSL front bumper more though, especially the middle jaw.

11-03-2013, 03:57 PM	#1
Mike R S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norwich Posts: 1,585 Casino cash: $17591	Who has a spare genuine bumper without flippers on that can help me? Basically I've bought one of these: http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9966 The finish isn't up to my standard and what I want to do is make a proper 4x4 twill pre-preg one. However, before I do, I want to make sure it actually fits a CSL bumper (and I haven't got a car yet). It appears that one side of "notching" to make it fit a CSL bumper was done pre-lacquering and the other side post lacquering. Having had my carbon guy examine it in detail, if this is a genuine Vorsteiner item (as the stickers on it attempt to confirm), then the quality of their products to quote German - is scheiße . However, I have no experience of their products to know if this is the case or not (anyone who has, feel free to comment). I was hoping I could send it to a nice helpful owner, who could offer it up to their spare CSL bumper and confirm it does indeed fit to a satisfactory level, before I went to the hassle of making a proper one. Otherwise it means waiting until I get a car (which could be a couple of months at this rate). Many thanks . __________________ Mike R Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right . CSL number 044 Last edited by Mike R; 11-03-2013 at 05:48 PM.

11-03-2013, 05:41 PM	#2
Steve B S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Stevenage, Herts Posts: 760 Casino cash: $41	Looking forward to seeing a CSL on gold rims..... __________________ When it's gone you miss it..... Now in a M4CS

11-03-2013, 05:45 PM	#3
Mike R S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norwich Posts: 1,585 Casino cash: $17591	Steve, You shouldn't have posted . As someone I know, do you fancy helping out ? I have no idea how easy it is to whip the flippers off? Do you want to see if this fits properly for me ? You'll be pleased to know I don't think the CSL is cool enough to pull off all gold wheels . __________________ Mike R Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right . CSL number 044

11-03-2013, 05:46 PM	#4
Steve B S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Stevenage, Herts Posts: 760 Casino cash: $41	In all seriousness I'll test fit it to my car if you want as the std splitters pop off easy enough. Steve __________________ When it's gone you miss it..... Now in a M4CS

11-03-2013, 05:57 PM	#6
Steve B S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Stevenage, Herts Posts: 760 Casino cash: $41	PM coming you way..... Steve __________________ When it's gone you miss it..... Now in a M4CS

12-03-2013, 01:03 AM	#7
NZ_M3 S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,434 Casino cash: $13579	It fits ... I have 2 of those ... one in 1x1 and the other in 2x2. The 1x1 is brand new and fitted like shit. I had to modify it quite a bit to get it to fit properly on a genuine CSL bumper. I also have a vorsteiner CSL bumper and it fitted okay on that (shows the mould wasn't done very well). The 2x2 that I have is second hand first generation mould and this fitted way better on the genuine CSL bumper, but doesn't actually fit the Vorsteiner CSL bumper LOL (it was too long). Vorsteiner stuff is crap. It's a single layer weaved fiberglass + a single layer of mesh + another layer of carbon fiber - and then vacuum infused. It is NOT pre-preg carbon fiber - far from it (it's the cheapest weight you can get basically). The epoxy they use is also shit - it has zero give and cracks like a mother fucker with any sort of flex. Photo below: (note - there's actually a slight gap under the radiator opening - the older Vorsteiner lip (the 2x2 weave I have) have 5 holes in the lip so you can drill into the bumper to secure it with plastic clips) - the brand new 1x1 I had has no such holes - most of the guys in the USA just use black window silicon to glue this part on, I used double sided 3M VHT tape, still comes off at the track however - best solution if you are looking at fitting this properly is to drill the holes and use the clips. I'll post up some more photos tonight of both the genuine bumper with the lip and the Vorsteiner bumper with the lip. I was actually playing with these just the other day!! I also have the Vorsteiner CSL replica splitters (i.e. individual left and right hand side flippers as some on here like to call them) and believe it or not, these actually fit quite well on the genuine CSL bumper. Might be a cheap alternative for someone not wanting to go down the OEM route. Last edited by NZ_M3; 12-03-2013 at 01:14 AM.

12-03-2013, 12:05 PM	#8
Mike R S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norwich Posts: 1,585 Casino cash: $17591	Thanks so much for the pictures and comments, at least I know that it is supposed to be like that. Steve, If you could do whatever is necessary so that it fits perfectly on a standard bumper, I'd be forever in your debt . __________________ Mike R Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right . CSL number 044

12-03-2013, 12:16 PM	#9
Steve B S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Stevenage, Herts Posts: 760 Casino cash: $41	No probs __________________ When it's gone you miss it..... Now in a M4CS

12-03-2013, 01:35 PM	#10
digi S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 486 Casino cash: $4438	I find the gen. looks way better. But thats just me. I suppose it will protect the CSL front bumper more though, especially the middle jaw. __________________ E46 M3 CSL + R35 GTR (bolt on mods 600bhp) + 458 Italia + LP560-4 + Audi S5