CSL Futures Market... - Page 6

GregorJP · 29-10-2013, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by titan

In recent times I've come to question taking "cars of value" on the track. By value, I mean something that has nice bodywork, show-and-shine etc. CSL, GT3 RS you name it. Taking them on track just ruins them slowly. Even a minor spin into gravel can hurt the paintwork and a wheel finish.

The other thing - CSLs are now 10 years old. How long will it be before their performance edge is completely obsoleted, or the parts become unobtainable etc.......

Here's the reason why my CSL might have to go, I think. I took it on track a few times, and whilst there was no question that it was 100% awesome, I was also continually mindful of the wear and tear that would need to be resolved to restore her back to pristine, how she should be. I know some on here have caged theirs, run KWs, etc, but I still feel that's a little compromised for an out and out track car.

Best thing I ever did was went halves with my mate on Rodney, the E36. £6k each and we have a caged, stripped, car with proper safety features. Rodney gets more abuse in a day than the CSL ever got.

Then bought the GTR for the road, and whilst there's no question that the CSL has more character, etc, GTR is just a better road car. Quieter, more civilised, more modern stuff (sat nav, iPod, easy auto). And it burns off Lambos.

But...

As s.mac says, could leave the CSL in storage and never lose money. And it's the only car I've owned that I've really loved.

(as for 997s, you couldn't give me another one..)

Pip1968 · 29-10-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by titan

A 997 GT3 RS is not much quicker around a typical UK track if we're being honest. Somewhere I've got a vbox trace comparing the CSL to the GT2RS. Only real difference is in the straight, otherwise you're talking about seconds here and there which lets face it, is not what trackdays are about.

The best fun my brother and I had on track was with the cheapest cars that you didn't care too much about.

So, that's all track related stuff. Are you going to drive your GT3 RS on the roads ? Probably not (much). So as you say, they become depreciating garage queens that have the potential to hurt your wallet on track.

Oh and FWIW there are plenty who prefer the 996 over the 997.

Yes, it is always a bit of a worry taking an expensive car on track particularly when I have not been to any UK tracks and the Nordschleife is my draw. However "better to live one day as a lion ......."

I know what you mean about people preferring the 996. It is part of the reason I want to keep it. Still analogue with no aids so something I may miss if I do what my wife keeps saying ie sell both and buy a 997 GT3 RS. Let's face it no women are sympathetic to your spending on cars. They just do not understand. I have even used the excuse that I could be having an affair instead

(with a human as opposed to a machine).

Pip

_Nathan_ · 29-10-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Equinox

You could do a lot worse than a v8 chimaera. Amazing sound, good rover v8 thatll pull a house down.

Could do better, mine was shit.

s.mac · 29-10-2013, 10:13 AM

This TVR hasn't been started for 10 years, I thought if it's cheap enough it's worth a punt. Are they all the same spec?

Nathan did you get that smartycam back? Still interested, will you have a stand at auto sport? Sorry to go off topic

**Mike R** · 29-10-2013, 10:27 AM

I would just like to say that this thread appears to be full of homos

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I could understand if it was your only car, but the majority of people own one as a second or third car, so just fucking use them as they were intended and worry about repairing / refurbishing anything as and when it requires it - otherwise you might as well not have the car (which seems to be the conclusion that some of you are already reaching

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Within two weeks of owning my car, I had an enthusiastic "play", pushing an RS5 to speeds I'd rather not mention, which resulted in the front bumper becoming pebble-dashed (changing it from the absolutely mint / unmarked item that it was). But guess what? It can be repainted as and when required (hasn't been yet, as it is still getting (ab)used)

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Don't get me wrong, I cherish my cars and they get whatever is required, but if I don't use them properly, I might as well have got a scale model and just sat and stared at it in a case in the living room (which would be more enjoyable than some of you locking them away and not even having the enjoyment of seeing them)

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0836whimper · 29-10-2013, 11:57 AM

I think I’d need to spend possibly three times as much to get anything else that feels as much of an event to drive on normal roads, is not too shouty, can go out in all weathers and can still fit a bike/tents/passengers in it.
The fact it is appreciating more than most current savings rates is a bonus.
And it's fun owning a car that occasionally gets noticed by someone who knows what it is, but ignored by the masses.

Availability of parts is a concern as I want to be able to drive it. But I think most parts will be available even if there's a wait.

**AlexGTT** · 29-10-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by northernjim

The Renault 5......

Damn right Jimbo.

It's where the big bucks are.

Bounce · 30-10-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexGTT

Damn right Jimbo.

It's where the big bucks are.

Look after it Alex.

29-10-2013, 10:27 AM	#55
Mike R S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norwich Posts: 1,585 Casino cash: $17591	I would just like to say that this thread appears to be full of homos . I could understand if it was your only car, but the majority of people own one as a second or third car, so just fucking use them as they were intended and worry about repairing / refurbishing anything as and when it requires it - otherwise you might as well not have the car (which seems to be the conclusion that some of you are already reaching ) . Within two weeks of owning my car, I had an enthusiastic "play", pushing an RS5 to speeds I'd rather not mention, which resulted in the front bumper becoming pebble-dashed (changing it from the absolutely mint / unmarked item that it was). But guess what? It can be repainted as and when required (hasn't been yet, as it is still getting (ab)used) . Don't get me wrong, I cherish my cars and they get whatever is required, but if I don't use them properly, I might as well have got a scale model and just sat and stared at it in a case in the living room (which would be more enjoyable than some of you locking them away and not even having the enjoyment of seeing them) . __________________ Mike R Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right . CSL number 044

29-10-2013, 10:13 AM	#54
s.mac CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,247 Casino cash: $15600	This TVR hasn't been started for 10 years, I thought if it's cheap enough it's worth a punt. Are they all the same spec? Nathan did you get that smartycam back? Still interested, will you have a stand at auto sport? Sorry to go off topic

29-10-2013, 11:57 AM	#56
0836whimper S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Nottingham Posts: 516 Casino cash: $7379	I think I’d need to spend possibly three times as much to get anything else that feels as much of an event to drive on normal roads, is not too shouty, can go out in all weathers and can still fit a bike/tents/passengers in it. The fact it is appreciating more than most current savings rates is a bonus. And it's fun owning a car that occasionally gets noticed by someone who knows what it is, but ignored by the masses. Availability of parts is a concern as I want to be able to drive it. But I think most parts will be available even if there's a wait.