M3 gts

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

I think BMW are starting to become the
Architects of their own down fall.

You can purchase a really nice CSL now for
Circa 25K +/-.

You can also purchase a very low mileage S65
engine complete with ECU etc, for around 3-5k +/-.

5k for Cams, Uprated airbox and exhaust.

A E60 M5 7 speed manual box as fitted to the North American
M5 as an option would be around 3k. [same bolt pattern]

1.5k for the clutch

4 Way Intrax, Drexler rear Diff, and the KK Trick
rear axle and Grp A front arms around 20k all in.

Wheels and uprated bearings etc 3k

Allow 5 k for ECU Upgrade and Dyno

Allow say 15k to fit, sort, test and set it all up.

Allow salvage on parts sold say 5k.

Sub 75k and you would be well in super Car territory
with something around 475/500 BHP that can do
a Ring lap in around 7.10/7.12 and still be able
to drive it on the road.

The BMW E46 V8 ALMS test mules were lapping the
Ring in around 7.10 /7.12 back in 2000/2001.

You can buy a S/H E92 M3 circa 30k today, and
25k spent on that in the right areas would put
a very big smile on a good drivers face.

I believe what this proves is that 75-100k has the ability
to deliver something far above what BMW are offering
for the same money.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shimmy]

now THIS you would pay £100k for

[Ade]

Did anyone watch the M3's maiden win (over the Porsche RSR) in FIA GT2 (Asian LMS) at Okayama this past weekend?

It finished the 3 hour race just 1 lap behind the FIA GT1 class winning Lambo!

[_Nathan_]

imagine how it will do with 10% capacity increase.

[TANKSLAPPER]

I don't know where you get the 100,000 k price tag from

The BMW M3 GTS will be made-to-order and the price is expected to be EUR 115,000.- for delivery in Germany, including 19% VAT. (approx. £100,000 at today’s exchange rate, although both the 911 GT3 and M6 Coupe are priced at EUR 116,000 in Germany and subsequently both are priced at around £84,000 in the UK).

I would be very surprised if its is over £85,000 in the UK

[mattCSLnut]

Uhhhhhhh yeah Sign me up

Originally Posted by shimmy

now THIS you would pay £100k for

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by TANKSLAPPER

I don't know where you get the 100,000 k price tag from

The BMW M3 GTS will be made-to-order and the price is expected to be EUR 115,000.- for delivery in Germany, including 19% VAT. (approx. £100,000 at today’s exchange rate,

ii think you answered your own question there

my guess is that it will be very limited numbers, maybe LHD only as i think it is just for racing justification

Thye might just sneak it under £100k but with the va bback to 17.5% maybe not

[glendog74]

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Originally Posted by DazBlackCSL

now that is nice ...

Reckon another 2/3 or more models in the CSL may appear by then ours would be a proper old school legend .. and I will be as bald as a coot

It is nice - LOVE THOSE RED WHEELS

BTW Dazza - it's pronounced 'old skool' and you are already bald as a coot

Thank you please

[NZ_M3]

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

if you remember the CSL was universally slated when it came out and it was massively overpriced and as such prices dropped 35% in the first 18 months, I don't see anything different with the GTS, once they are cheap enough everyone will fall in love with them as they did with the CSL.

Time will tell Nathan as you've pointed out.

I don't believe this car was ever intended to be a CSL.

Yes the CSL is special - but a lot of the 'positives' about it only came about a couple of years after people realised and appreciated it for what it really is (some of it helped no doubt by the more civilised E9X M3).

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

people said the same about the CSL, £20k more than an M3, it isn't even any faster, put those tyres on a normal M3 and you are 95% of the way there, there is nothing special about it etc etc.

Wait until there is some more information on how they've saved weight and what else has been done to it. Of course you could make a normal M3 faster for less money, same was true with the CSL too, the devil will be in the detail...

PS. Anyone know if the 7:40 time round the ring was with the tyres it has in the pictures? If it did that time on them then I'm amazed!

That time was on the prototype apparently.

200kg isn't that easy to save - so I suspect there's probably more to it.

Also there's a mention in the article about the rear axel mount - appears to be different to the standard car.

No doubt BMW's using this as a plateform for their GT4 racing program - heck this to me makes it even more special - at least this car has some 'racing' lineage unlike the CSL which is basically a technological show pony (don't get me wrong I love the CSL for what it is, but it is not in the same league as a factory produced club racer) - If the CSL was the forefather of modern BMW factory specials (not counting the E30 M3 Sport Evolution), then the M3 GTS is simply the bastard child it had with a racecar

Originally Posted by shimmy

i think that is what BMW thought as well.

TonyR is taking his E92 road car and my guess he will get a better and faster car than the GTS spending less than £20k

You aren't comparing apples with apples - we can go on about modified cars and I too can say for way less money you might as well supercharge a 2001 E46 M3 and it'd run rings around a lot of things .... with all due respect, I do think some of you are missing the point of this car ...

This is probably in similar league as the E46 M3 GTR road version that was never really meant to be ... overpriced, built for homologation ... never sold (well not beyong 2 digits) - I am sure you'd all go gaga if you saw one on the road today ... I am sure this GTS will be in the same league some what.

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by NZ_M3

You aren't comparing apples with apples - we can go on about modified cars and I too can say for way less money you might as well supercharge a 2001 E46 M3 and it'd run rings around a lot of things .... with all due respect, I do think some of you are missing the point of this car ...

This is probably in similar league as the E46 M3 GTR road version that was never really meant to be ... overpriced, built for homologation ... never sold (well not beyong 2 digits) - I am sure you'd all go gaga if you saw one on the road today ... I am sure this GTS will be in the same league some what.

dont get me wrong, i am sure it will be rare and a collectors car for sure

i am sure i will lust after one especially a 302bhp/tonne

but it doesnt look like £100k road car to me