CSL Crash at Silverstone - Page 3

windy · 05-10-2009, 08:05 PM

Yeah, I thought I heard it was broadside, though the pics look like it was more like quarter-on judging by the huge front suspension damage (strut-brace damage makes it look nasty) compared to the light rear arch/wheel damage.

I'm guessing the seats that have those wraparound 'wings' offer more protection from a sideways smash?

What's the cost of a Hans setup?

_Nathan_ · 05-10-2009, 08:07 PM

I have the same set up and RRP on the seat is around £1200 from memory, think I paid around £750+vat, HANS itself was around 650 I think for the carbon one, they do a cheaper one which is just as effective but less shiny.

phat///M3 · 05-10-2009, 09:37 PM

Hope you both have a swift recovery, all the best.

NZ_M3 · 06-10-2009, 12:41 AM

Hope you two a swift and trouble free recovery - any speed + concrete wall is never a pretty sight.

Looks to me like the driver seat is a Recaro Hans with head restraint and the passenger a normal Recaro SPG or Pole position (looks a bit bent from the photos too, like it's tilted one way - I suspect the side mounts gave?)

**Mark CSL** · 06-10-2009, 01:01 AM

Good to hear you are both ok John
the car can always get sorted.

derek · 06-10-2009, 01:12 AM

Good to speak to you today, hope you recover, plan to be in touch with you soon

**alexk** · 06-10-2009, 09:41 AM

Good that you are well guys !

Get well soon.

Thorney · 06-10-2009, 09:46 AM

My injuries were all caused by the sheer force of impact, the concrete wall had zero give so we effectively went from 60mph to 0mph in one mm, according to docs that the equivalent of nearly 13g. Roger got off lighlty as he was knocked unconcious so his body was limp, I naturally stiffened up at impact = more damage. The impact was side on, ie the direction of travel was right to left with initial impact point being just behind the front wheel in front of the A pillar, due to the cage the strongest point on the car.

As for Hans, well Hans is only designed for fore/aft impact, side to side impacts are not dealt with and in some instances can cause some twisting where the Hans will make the neck injury worse. For this reason I use the sliders (where the Hans straps are not fixed into the top section) so there is some lateral movement but as i wasn't wearing it I cant say I've tested it. Certainly I wont be going our out on track again without a Hans in a race car, it was a scary impact.

Both the seats survived the impact well, the side mounts gave (ie the metal twisted in the impact) but remained attached to the car so in effect the correct fitment saved more injury, I've seen where a seat comes loose and it aint pretty. Overall we're pretty proud of our worksmanship in the car so wer'e trying to put a postive light on the outcome (naturally) but I can think of less painful ways of marketing what we do!

_Nathan_ · 06-10-2009, 10:46 AM

John writing the test plan for more safety equipment

I've got the vision tethers too, they are standard now so hopefully nothing to worry about there. It is only when you see a proper shunt like this that you really start to look at the safety aspect.

Roger said that he thinks the HANS seat stopped him breaking his neck, money well spent!

CATDT · 06-10-2009, 12:03 PM

Really sorry to read this but very glad you are both ok John.

Jo

05-10-2009, 08:05 PM	#21
windy S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 275 Casino cash: $615	Yeah, I thought I heard it was broadside, though the pics look like it was more like quarter-on judging by the huge front suspension damage (strut-brace damage makes it look nasty) compared to the light rear arch/wheel damage. I'm guessing the seats that have those wraparound 'wings' offer more protection from a sideways smash? What's the cost of a Hans setup? __________________

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06-10-2009, 09:46 AM	#28
Thorney S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 469 Casino cash: $3876	My injuries were all caused by the sheer force of impact, the concrete wall had zero give so we effectively went from 60mph to 0mph in one mm, according to docs that the equivalent of nearly 13g. Roger got off lighlty as he was knocked unconcious so his body was limp, I naturally stiffened up at impact = more damage. The impact was side on, ie the direction of travel was right to left with initial impact point being just behind the front wheel in front of the A pillar, due to the cage the strongest point on the car. As for Hans, well Hans is only designed for fore/aft impact, side to side impacts are not dealt with and in some instances can cause some twisting where the Hans will make the neck injury worse. For this reason I use the sliders (where the Hans straps are not fixed into the top section) so there is some lateral movement but as i wasn't wearing it I cant say I've tested it. Certainly I wont be going our out on track again without a Hans in a race car, it was a scary impact. Both the seats survived the impact well, the side mounts gave (ie the metal twisted in the impact) but remained attached to the car so in effect the correct fitment saved more injury, I've seen where a seat comes loose and it aint pretty. Overall we're pretty proud of our worksmanship in the car so wer'e trying to put a postive light on the outcome (naturally) but I can think of less painful ways of marketing what we do! __________________ http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk

05-10-2009, 08:07 PM	#22
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	I have the same set up and RRP on the seat is around £1200 from memory, think I paid around £750+vat, HANS itself was around 650 I think for the carbon one, they do a cheaper one which is just as effective but less shiny.

06-10-2009, 12:41 AM	#24
NZ_M3 S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,434 Casino cash: $13579	Hope you two a swift and trouble free recovery - any speed + concrete wall is never a pretty sight. Looks to me like the driver seat is a Recaro Hans with head restraint and the passenger a normal Recaro SPG or Pole position (looks a bit bent from the photos too, like it's tilted one way - I suspect the side mounts gave?)

06-10-2009, 01:12 AM	#26
derek S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,159 Casino cash: $20658	Good to speak to you today, hope you recover, plan to be in touch with you soon

06-10-2009, 10:46 AM	#29
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	John writing the test plan for more safety equipment I've got the vision tethers too, they are standard now so hopefully nothing to worry about there. It is only when you see a proper shunt like this that you really start to look at the safety aspect. Roger said that he thinks the HANS seat stopped him breaking his neck, money well spent!

06-10-2009, 12:03 PM	#30
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