Real world difference between an M3 and a CSL...

[AlexGTT]

Shim, when you've tried and done everything, you realise how good they got it in the first place.

Apart from the brakes that is.

[funtime]

Originally Posted by shimmy

Youve gotta remember that the CSL was built for the Ring and the dev time went into the suspension for the Ring

Now agree that all these things working together will overall be more than the sum of their parts but dont underestimate the OEm suspension

Hmmm I suppose, but if it's that good then why does everyone change it? or have you all reached the stage where the standard suspension was holding you back

Is that why your going to sell me your Intrax Shimmy?

[AlexGTT]

Originally Posted by funtime

never been on what ring?! How is it a minute off the pace for a standard M3? a CSL standard only laps in 7:50 with a racing driver and cup tyres?

That's a full lap.

We only do BtoG.

[funtime]

Originally Posted by AlexGTT

That's a full lap.

We only do BtoG.

DOH

This is true....well anyway, it would be a minute of the pace if he was a racing driver like the 7:50 ring time was

[toofastforyou]

Originally Posted by shimmy

Youve gotta remember that the CSL was built for the Ring and the dev time went into the suspension for the Ring

Now agree that all these things working together will overall be more than the sum of their parts but dont underestimate the OEm suspension

well put

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by funtime

never been on what ring?! How is it a minute off the pace for a standard M3? a CSL standard only laps in 7:50 with a racing driver and cup tyres?

8,33 BTG is 9.00 full lap vs 7.50 full lap

[titan]

Originally Posted by funtime

That has to be the most contradictory view so far, interesting that you think they'd be nothing in it if the same mods were applied to both cars, however I think that the crucial point is 'stripping'. I don't want to 'strip' my car and only then would you minimise the difference between the two as the weight would be a lot closer. Without stripping the M3 I wouldn't get anywhere near the weight of a CSL, which is essentially the key to track performance.... is this me back tracking and starting to go for the CSL?!?

Contradictory? Perhaps not the usual fanboi view :-)

In all seriousness, you're asking whether to plump for an M3 or CSL on a CSL forum. You're bound to get lots of pro-CSL chat, some good some not so good. I'm not pro-CSL, instead I just look at the factors with a clear head.

The fact of the matter is that a CSL has something like a £10k premium on a stock M3. To some thats no money, to others it represents winning the lottery. YMMV ! Its not a £10k better car though is it?

And put a stock M3 in the hands of someone talented versus average Jo in his CSL. We know the outcome there.

I believe I answered your subject, the question being "Real world difference" - the difference is that you'll be £10k lighter in the wallet with something a bit more prestigious but it won't halve your commute time.

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by titan

! Its not a £10k better car though is it?

.

is muppet spelt with a double 't'?

[toofastforyou]

Originally Posted by shimmy

is muppet spelt with a double 't'?

again well put.

@titan no offence meant but have you ever driven a csl?

[funtime]

Originally Posted by titan

Contradictory? Perhaps not the usual fanboi view :-)

In all seriousness, you're asking whether to plump for an M3 or CSL on a CSL forum. You're bound to get lots of pro-CSL chat, some good some not so good. I'm not pro-CSL, instead I just look at the factors with a clear head.

The fact of the matter is that a CSL has something like a £10k premium on a stock M3. To some thats no money, to others it represents winning the lottery. YMMV ! Its not a £10k better car though is it?

And put a stock M3 in the hands of someone talented versus average Jo in his CSL. We know the outcome there.

I believe I answered your subject, the question being "Real world difference" - the difference is that you'll be £10k lighter in the wallet with something a bit more prestigious but it won't halve your commute time.

Yeah I see your point and I was expecting a slightly bias view... I would agree with you on the whole, the thing I'm trying to weigh up now is the investment side of things...a CSL is a sure punt at the moment, and I'm beginning to think I'll be more content with one no matter how much I chuck at my M3.