Who is at Ring this week-end 1st ~ 3rd Oct ?

[shane@mbtech]

Originally Posted by shimmy

Vid again, watch from 9.30 onwards

Blatant negligence on the workers behalf.

But in this country if you are going round a blind bend and you then smash into a stopped car, its your fault. Not driving to the conditions, slow down for blind bends etc.

50/50 in my view- you take your risks. If it was on a UK track then IMO blame would lie completely with the organisers/marshalls etc.

But, people forget that the ring on a TF day is still a public road, and you "should" drive to the conditions.

145mph round a blind bend is hardly safe driving is it?

[whopwop]

Really very little warning before the roadworks which played a hugh part in the accident although they will claim that locations of works are displayed above the safety video at the track entrance.

[whopwop]

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145mph round a blind bend is hardly safe driving is it?[/QUOTE]

Maybe so but that is exactly what most of us do when out there, you have no idea what is round the next corner, I cannot tell yo uthe ammount of times I have come round a bend to find someone sideways across the track.
I could be wrong but its my understanding that in that instance (out there) its the fault of the guy across the track, causing the accident.
You can bet your ass that the ring taxi will be claiming off one of the T.F. cars and not the company carrying out the works.

[DuncanR]

What a week-end of carnage, and even I got lucky on the Monday when 2 cars came together at 90 mph in front of me. Got it on vid but not posting it which is a shame as Tankslapper and I were on a decent lap given the traffic we carved through, and still posted an 8:25. No injuries in the crash in front of me, so I did the only decent thing to do at the Ring if its abvious no one is hurt and thats fook off out of it ! I want no involvement whatsoever with something that doesnt involve me directly, too much specualtion, too much distortion, too much forum bollocks gets turned over by people who werent there and didnt see it, so my advice is as above, no injuries ?, no direct involvement ? no stop.
We drove past the poor marshall on the Saturday who was bowled over by a car as he flagged the incident which was a car fire at AF.
The greedy money grabbing twats running the Ring now imho opinion are riding on the edge of a Corporate Manslaughter charge if things dont change. The sooner their contract/lease ends the better.
Its a Racetrack when they want it to be and a Public road when it suites, and probably a whole manner of things in between.
With regards to the 8 car pile up, I would be looking at the German regulations for temporary road markings and their required setup distances etc., they needed signage that sloooowed people down well before the incident, not panic them into slamming the brakes on and causing havoc.
We happened to be watching at Breidscheid , and taking a cheeky Ice Cream on board when that gaggle of cars came through all together, 2 abreast all the way up around Ex Muhle, and I commented then "that will end in tears" .. you could tell from the speed and car language that that group werent giving in to anyone, which is probably why the accident happened, so intent on keeping their track position etc. that they didnt look at the bigger picture looming up in front of them when the lead vehicles hit the brakes. Could have been a whole lot worse that one.
There doesnt seem to be a report about the poor biker who probably lost his leg sadly on Monday in another crash.
My other personal opinion for what its worth, if its a German Bank Holiday, let them have their fookin track to themselves.

[glendog74]

Originally Posted by DuncanR

My other personal opinion for what its worth, if its a German Bank Holiday, let them have their fookin track to themselves.

I learnt that one back in April with northernjim

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by DuncanR

What a week-end of carnage, and even I got lucky on the Monday when 2 cars came together at 90 mph in front of me. Got it on vid but not posting it which is a shame as Tankslapper and I were on a decent lap given the traffic we carved through, and still posted an 8:25. No injuries in the crash in front of me, so I did the only decent thing to do at the Ring if its abvious no one is hurt and thats fook off out of it ! I want no involvement whatsoever with something that doesnt involve me directly, too much specualtion, too much distortion, too much forum bollocks gets turned over by people who werent there and didnt see it, so my advice is as above, no injuries ?, no direct involvement ? no stop.
We drove past the poor marshall on the Saturday who was bowled over by a car as he flagged the incident which was a car fire at AF.
The greedy money grabbing twats running the Ring now imho opinion are riding on the edge of a Corporate Manslaughter charge if things dont change. The sooner their contract/lease ends the better.
Its a Racetrack when they want it to be and a Public road when it suites, and probably a whole manner of things in between.
With regards to the 8 car pile up, I would be looking at the German regulations for temporary road markings and their required setup distances etc., they needed signage that sloooowed people down well before the incident, not panic them into slamming the brakes on and causing havoc.
We happened to be watching at Breidscheid , and taking a cheeky Ice Cream on board when that gaggle of cars came through all together, 2 abreast all the way up around Ex Muhle, and I commented then "that will end in tears" .. you could tell from the speed and car language that that group werent giving in to anyone, which is probably why the accident happened, so intent on keeping their track position etc. that they didnt look at the bigger picture looming up in front of them when the lead vehicles hit the brakes. Could have been a whole lot worse that one.
There doesnt seem to be a report about the poor biker who probably lost his leg sadly on Monday in another crash.
My other personal opinion for what its worth, if its a German Bank Holiday, let them have their fookin track to themselves.

Thanks for your feedback dUuK I agree entirely
I'm glad no Cecils were harmed that weekend

[GregorJP]

Agree with that. I was there at the 'Ring and met Duncan R and TankSlapper as they were staying at the same hotel (my CSL is M3 TBV) and I was with my mate Jason (the guy at Spa with JCG).

After not being able to get on the track on Sunday, I went down early on the Monday and was about 5 cars away from getting a few laps in the morning when they shut the track again for 3 hours due to a pile up. At that point, cut my losses and went home, disappointed but CSL in one piece. Probably not doing tourist days there again - only closed circuit days. If anyone wants to buy a ring card with 4 laps on it from me, let me know - still got it from the weekend.

[CSLut]

Originally Posted by Jurn

Heavy crash with 7 cars involved around 14.30, including the Ring Taxi. Ring closed till 18.00
I saw a few English CSL's, this one was the only one I spotted on the NB parking.

Thats mine that is! Not surprised you got a shot of it parked. Our group was there from Sat arvo to Monday lunch and we averaged a tremendous average of.... 2 laps each!
Lesson leant that. Trackdays and weekday TF only for me from now on.

Still, massive thanks to DuncanR and Shimmy for hooking a brother up with new Cup tyres whilst out there and therefore saving my weekend, which redeemed itself with Spa on Tuesday.
Big recommendation to Raider Motorsport.

Cheers

[shimmy]

Ahhhh that's your SB CsL. I don't think we met at Spa but I kept seeing your car around

[Jurn]

I saw you @ Spa too, I think we met on the track also