CSL Cup race series - Page 2

**shimmy** · 02-11-2008, 06:00 PM

it will cost more than trackdays (and i darent add up how much 14 track days per year cost me)

i think the advantage of two classes is that a stock CSL will only need a cage, seat, harness, extinguisher and cut off to take part. I guess that could be as low as £3-4k. Obviously alot of that is saleable afterwards. You will need helmet (better one than you have probably) plus race suit and shoes.

So say £5k to set up the car.

I already have a daily drive but my guess is if you buy a Smart you will save enough on fuel and depreciation to make it cost very little extra, maybe just the tax and insurance.

As for the series the biggest cost will be tyres and bangs. Cant do much about bags unless we just introduce a level of non contact in the series rather that do or die, but not easy really. Tyres will be different. If we run 19 inch Cups in stock and Hoosiers in Modded class then it will be pricey, probably a set of fronts every race weekend and rears ever two. If we ran 18in Dunlops it will be cheaper but not in the CSL spirit IMHO.

Best cost saving is to remove carbon interior bits to save on damage costs, and possibly replace bumper with fibreglass so CF bumper is saved.

Would be great fun though and better than all those subscriptions to CLIMAX channels.

Dont forget those that have businesses can right come off with sponsorship and soime can raise maybe a little sponsorship. Might be able to get some help form BMW or a dealer (parts at cost or discount)

Thorney is looking at it this weekend and by Monday he might have an idea of how it looks.

**shimmy** · 02-11-2008, 06:01 PM

an idea might to stable the cars with one of 4 specialists to make that competative as well,

Thorney, Simpsons, BMSport + one other

houlbt · 05-11-2008, 01:03 PM

Good luck to this idea as I'm all for more BMW based racing but I just dont' think it's likely to take off....

CSL's are a limited production run vehicle. Many owners wouldn't dream of taking their car out into the arena of motorsport. If they do it's because they are one of the few who don't care or not fully aware of just how much panel damage they will incur.

Even it's it's light damage the car will get beaten up and to return it to anything like the condition it was before the accident costs real money. With a dedicated race car you get it repaired and resprayed on the cheap and the finish looks perfect from six foot away but not so up close.

cslbecks · 05-11-2008, 04:20 PM

Hence why i would never consider "racing" my CSL - there is a world of difference between doing regular track days/Ring trips etc and actual racing. That said, for those willing to turn their pride and joys into race cars, i would certainly enjoy watching the series unfold.

englebert · 06-11-2008, 02:14 PM

I also personally think nothing will come of it.

**shimmy** · 06-11-2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by englebert

I also personally think nothing will come of it.

miserable git!

i bet your a ray of sunshine in the economic gloom round your way!

**Andyk** · 07-11-2008, 07:28 AM

Great idea this and i would certainly pay to go and see a gaggle of CSL's racing, but I'm another who thinks it's a bit pie in the sky stuff. Good luck to them though.

englebert · 07-11-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by englebert

I also personally think nothing will come of it.

miserable git!

i bet your a ray of sunshine in the economic gloom round your way!

Sorry dude, but just finished a season's of racing and the invoices read depressingly!

I can assure you the jump from trackdays to race series is huge in terms of money/time.

cslbecks · 07-11-2008, 01:53 PM

Without doubt - regular track days are a world apart from actually racing.

david · 07-11-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by englebert

I can assure you the jump from trackdays to race series is huge in terms of money/time.

I totally agree on that, We had 7 races this year on a SC trophy in France and we've spent around 12000£ in total just on petrol, tires, transport, hotel and general maintenance on the car, without any bodywork or damages, just pads, oil, filters, sparks pluggs and some stuff and the car is a basic 1975 volkswagen, all maintenance and work around the car is done by us, doesn't cost us a peanuts, just personnal time....

and all the rest around not added, I own my own truck and trailor to transport car and materiel.. you need to add all that in the price...+ the rest

I've used that same car back a few years ago just on trackdays, costed us 2000£/per year...

I won't even get a quote to race a Csl I'd rather race with an E36 Mserie, low cost, and easy to get cheap part second hand...

05-11-2008, 01:03 PM	#13
houlbt S3 - On the open road Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 115 Casino cash: $311	Good luck to this idea as I'm all for more BMW based racing but I just dont' think it's likely to take off.... CSL's are a limited production run vehicle. Many owners wouldn't dream of taking their car out into the arena of motorsport. If they do it's because they are one of the few who don't care or not fully aware of just how much panel damage they will incur. Even it's it's light damage the car will get beaten up and to return it to anything like the condition it was before the accident costs real money. With a dedicated race car you get it repaired and resprayed on the cheap and the finish looks perfect from six foot away but not so up close. __________________ Black Scuderia, White CSL, Orange M3 Racecar

06-11-2008, 02:14 PM	#15
englebert S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kent Posts: 397 Casino cash: $705	I also personally think nothing will come of it. __________________ '03 SG CSL - SOLD Making do with a CSL replica, 1M and E90 M3.

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02-11-2008, 06:00 PM	#11
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	it will cost more than trackdays (and i darent add up how much 14 track days per year cost me) i think the advantage of two classes is that a stock CSL will only need a cage, seat, harness, extinguisher and cut off to take part. I guess that could be as low as £3-4k. Obviously alot of that is saleable afterwards. You will need helmet (better one than you have probably) plus race suit and shoes. So say £5k to set up the car. I already have a daily drive but my guess is if you buy a Smart you will save enough on fuel and depreciation to make it cost very little extra, maybe just the tax and insurance. As for the series the biggest cost will be tyres and bangs. Cant do much about bags unless we just introduce a level of non contact in the series rather that do or die, but not easy really. Tyres will be different. If we run 19 inch Cups in stock and Hoosiers in Modded class then it will be pricey, probably a set of fronts every race weekend and rears ever two. If we ran 18in Dunlops it will be cheaper but not in the CSL spirit IMHO. Best cost saving is to remove carbon interior bits to save on damage costs, and possibly replace bumper with fibreglass so CF bumper is saved. Would be great fun though and better than all those subscriptions to CLIMAX channels. Dont forget those that have businesses can right come off with sponsorship and soime can raise maybe a little sponsorship. Might be able to get some help form BMW or a dealer (parts at cost or discount) Thorney is looking at it this weekend and by Monday he might have an idea of how it looks.

02-11-2008, 06:01 PM	#12
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	an idea might to stable the cars with one of 4 specialists to make that competative as well, Thorney, Simpsons, BMSport + one other

05-11-2008, 04:20 PM	#14
cslbecks S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London, Essex Posts: 178 Casino cash: $250	Hence why i would never consider "racing" my CSL - there is a world of difference between doing regular track days/Ring trips etc and actual racing. That said, for those willing to turn their pride and joys into race cars, i would certainly enjoy watching the series unfold.

07-11-2008, 07:28 AM	#17
Andyk Driving it like I nicked it Space Invaders Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chepstow Posts: 2,506 Casino cash: $3997	Great idea this and i would certainly pay to go and see a gaggle of CSL's racing, but I'm another who thinks it's a bit pie in the sky stuff. Good luck to them though.

07-11-2008, 01:53 PM	#19
cslbecks S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London, Essex Posts: 178 Casino cash: $250	Without doubt - regular track days are a world apart from actually racing.