Intrax 4 Way, Anyone got any settings? - Page 2

Dan · 23-08-2010, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy

4way you muppet!

I've got a simpletons 2way

I actually thought you ran KW's Shim! So your on the Intrax 1K2 are you?

**shimmy** · 23-08-2010, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

I actually thought you ran KW's Shim! So your on the Intrax 1K2 are you?

The Gorilla · 23-08-2010, 12:48 PM

Hi,

I am slightly confused by this thread.

Setting up a Cars suspension especially with
4 way adjust is not just a case of here are some
settings, and away you go.

Setting up 4 way adjustable suspension correctly
for a Track Car would take about a morning with
somebody who knew what they were doing and had
all the information, and ideally you would need to
be able to test/set as you go.

There are many different paramiters with 4 way, and in
most, everytime you alter one setting it changes another
and so on.

Does the car have adjustable arb links, so that when set
the ARB pre load can be adjusted off, are you running linnear
or progessive springs, is the ride height set for a certain tyre
profile, has the car ever been corner weighted with half tank,
and so it goes on, and you've not even touched the Intrax yet.

Buying 4 way suspension is the easy part, setting it for
max mechanical grip on the car will be a lot harder and
far more complex, and not something anybody can learn
in few minutes of somebody eles's settings.

A properly set up CSL on standard suspension will lap faster
than a CSL on 4 way, unless its been corectly set up on
the Car and tested.

After investing in the 4 way, now you have to invest in making
it work. There is no free lunch.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

**AlexGTT** · 23-08-2010, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

I actually thought you ran KW's Shim! So your on the Intrax 1K2 are you?

+1. It's very good and very simple........................and I need that.

Gorilla is spot on and I'd say that applies to 1K2 as well, only way easier to play with.

**shimmy** · 23-08-2010, 01:08 PM

Gorilla

You have a habit of over complicating things.

I can tell a Tyres pressure with a kick of my right boot and set up any suspension by phone within 10 minutes.

Good rates to!

**AlexGTT** · 23-08-2010, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy

Gorilla

You have a habit of over complicating things.

I can tell a Tyres pressure with a kick of my right boot and set up any suspension by phone within 10 minutes.

Good rates to!

Will a couple of

be enough?

The Gorilla · 23-08-2010, 02:15 PM

Hi,

Shimmy - it clearly states in the Intrax
manual that its 'knob' making the adjustements
that is not warranted, not the Adjustment Knob.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

DuncanR · 23-08-2010, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,

I am slightly confused by this thread.

Setting up a Cars suspension especially with
4 way adjust is not just a case of here are some
settings, and away you go.

Setting up 4 way adjustable suspension correctly
for a Track Car would take about a morning with
somebody who knew what they were doing and had
all the information, and ideally you would need to
be able to test/set as you go.

There are many different paramiters with 4 way, and in
most, everytime you alter one setting it changes another
and so on.

Does the car have adjustable arb links, so that when set
the ARB pre load can be adjusted off, are you running linnear
or progessive springs, is the ride height set for a certain tyre
profile, has the car ever been corner weighted with half tank,
and so it goes on, and you've not even touched the Intrax yet.

Buying 4 way suspension is the easy part, setting it for
max mechanical grip on the car will be a lot harder and
far more complex, and not something anybody can learn
in few minutes of somebody eles's settings.

A properly set up CSL on standard suspension will lap faster
than a CSL on 4 way, unless its been corectly set up on
the Car and tested.

After investing in the 4 way, now you have to invest in making
it work. There is no free lunch.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

I have them, but I did inherit them without having a clue what they were... and I couldn’t agree more with the above, after all the more complicated you make something ...of necessity the more complicated it becomes! …sounds a little Oirish dat !
Only having arrived on the TD and Ring scene last October, my “setup” experience be it track, Ring or road is to say the least fairly limited, I haven’t “messed” around with my Intrax very much at all for the very reasons the Gorilla has stated… and my ass knows every bump from my house to the Ring and back as I haven’t dared to even soften it for road use ! There are more than enough variables with setting up ordinary adjustable suspension, as in toe, camber, castor et al, without factoring in the lack or experience I have.
In a word, my current Intrax 4 – way is too complicated for my seat of the pants, I have big enough bollocks, but I’m having fun driving style. Its probably overkill for something like the Ring where even more variables come into play, however, I can see their use in a race environment where consistent quick laps are the order of the day, and kerb jumping is a requirement, which brings the extended adjustments of the Intrax 4 way into play,and where fractions of a second per lap can and are gained through suspension change.
For my part they are worth a few seconds a lap due to the “placebo” effect of me saying to myself “you can get through here quicker as you have Intrax 4-way fitted!!”
Being an engineer, I can testify to them being a good product, adjustment knobs never stick even if the under arches are plastered in crap, in operation, they do give a very pointy positive feel to the drivability of the car, giving it the old sled on rails feel, to coin a phrase. For now, I shall content myself with sticking to basic suspension setup, and spend more time in the car driving it, than outside of it, up on the jacks clicking away at some adjustment that I really don’t understand, and even if it made a difference, would fail to spot anyway.

DuncanR · 23-08-2010, 03:10 PM

Found this somewhere, maybe it was someone on here ??
Cut and paste into Word for easier reading ..

**cantfind1** · 24-08-2010, 09:22 AM

Hey Gorilla I see what you are saying but not all of us are that amateur!

My car has been set up correctly and corner weighted and the Adjustable droplinks are not running any preload so i do know what I am talking about.

To keep it simple if someone with the same car as yours is running the same suspension and they have some base settings for me to work from then that is all i am asking.

I know what i want from the suspension but if i can start from a closer point this will save me time. Simple really!

Duncan cheers for the info, i have all the Intrax guides already and will take a look at the word document. many thanks.

4 way suspension can be complicated but if you know where you start from and write down your changes then it really makes it easier.

These are no different to KW V3's or Clubsport but you need to have a base setting first, somewhere to hang your hat so to speak.

Agree with Shimmy things are only complicated if you make them that way.

23-08-2010, 01:08 PM	#15
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	Gorilla You have a habit of over complicating things. I can tell a Tyres pressure with a kick of my right boot and set up any suspension by phone within 10 minutes. Good rates to! __________________ .

23-08-2010, 12:48 PM	#13
The Gorilla S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 740 Casino cash: $14401	Hi, I am slightly confused by this thread. Setting up a Cars suspension especially with 4 way adjust is not just a case of here are some settings, and away you go. Setting up 4 way adjustable suspension correctly for a Track Car would take about a morning with somebody who knew what they were doing and had all the information, and ideally you would need to be able to test/set as you go. There are many different paramiters with 4 way, and in most, everytime you alter one setting it changes another and so on. Does the car have adjustable arb links, so that when set the ARB pre load can be adjusted off, are you running linnear or progessive springs, is the ride height set for a certain tyre profile, has the car ever been corner weighted with half tank, and so it goes on, and you've not even touched the Intrax yet. Buying 4 way suspension is the easy part, setting it for max mechanical grip on the car will be a lot harder and far more complex, and not something anybody can learn in few minutes of somebody eles's settings. A properly set up CSL on standard suspension will lap faster than a CSL on 4 way, unless its been corectly set up on the Car and tested. After investing in the 4 way, now you have to invest in making it work. There is no free lunch. Regards, The Gorilla.

23-08-2010, 02:15 PM	#17
The Gorilla S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 740 Casino cash: $14401	Hi, Shimmy - it clearly states in the Intrax manual that its 'knob' making the adjustements that is not warranted, not the Adjustment Knob. Regards, The Gorilla.

24-08-2010, 09:22 AM	#20
cantfind1 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 675 Casino cash: $6490	Hey Gorilla I see what you are saying but not all of us are that amateur! My car has been set up correctly and corner weighted and the Adjustable droplinks are not running any preload so i do know what I am talking about. To keep it simple if someone with the same car as yours is running the same suspension and they have some base settings for me to work from then that is all i am asking. I know what i want from the suspension but if i can start from a closer point this will save me time. Simple really! Duncan cheers for the info, i have all the Intrax guides already and will take a look at the word document. many thanks. 4 way suspension can be complicated but if you know where you start from and write down your changes then it really makes it easier. These are no different to KW V3's or Clubsport but you need to have a base setting first, somewhere to hang your hat so to speak. Agree with Shimmy things are only complicated if you make them that way.