First track day help - Page 2

**shimmy** · 18-03-2015, 10:38 AM

Cadwell is not the best place to start tbh. Ok for some but a bit to narrow to relax for others.

73CSL · 18-03-2015, 10:53 AM

I did my 1st ever trackday at Cadwell .. in the wet in a 40 year old 911

It was an experience, but not neccesarilly an enjoyable one

billyboysm3 · 18-03-2015, 03:47 PM

I prefer Opentrack.

Snetterton and Bedford have plenty of run off.

What brake pads are on the car?

Jonnymaz · 18-03-2015, 05:22 PM

Thanks for continued messages. Have had a good look at the various companies, Javelin seems to have the most options for the tracks that would be best, with MSV next.

I have OEM discs and pads, but they were all replaced about a year ago so I would be reluctant to swap them for something better so soon. If I decide not to sell and want to keep doing track days then I will probably upgrade then.

Will definitely pay for tuition, and now I know to check tyre pressure...

Will let you know once I get booked on one and may see some of you there.

billyboysm3 · 18-03-2015, 05:36 PM

Even though its your first TD be careful as the brake fluid will be standard and if you are hooooning it your brakes might go of in a couple of laps.

Rick H · 18-03-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by billyboysm3

Even though its your first TD be careful as the brake fluid will be standard and if you are hooooning it your brakes might go of in a couple of laps.

Agreed, I went round in Oulton in our e46 325 resplendent with new budget pads and disks (by budget I mean normal, decent road pads not something like RS29s) plus standard fluid. 2 laps tops (full circuit) and a 3rd to cool down

Standard CSL brakes are now "resting" in the loft - BEST PLACE FOR 'EM.

Standard discs should be ok, but may be worth shelling out for some pads to put in for the day and then remove (not forgetting to bed them in).

Jonnymaz · 19-03-2015, 11:56 AM

OK, brakes starting to concern me a little! Despite the obvious benefits of upgrading brakes, was hoping that for a first track day where I am unlikely to be pushing it to extreme, I could get by with the standard fairly new set that is on there.

Is this going to end in disaster, or is it likely to be fine if I don't push it too hard and have regular cool downs?

Anyone had successful track days using standard brakes??

Would simply changing the fluid to one with a higher boiling point be worth doing?

0836whimper · 19-03-2015, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonnymaz

OK, brakes starting to concern me a little! Despite the obvious benefits of upgrading brakes, was hoping that for a first track day where I am unlikely to be pushing it to extreme, I could get by with the standard fairly new set that is on there.

Is this going to end in disaster, or is it likely to be fine if I don't push it too hard and have regular cool downs?

Anyone had successful track days using standard brakes??

Would simply changing the fluid to one with a higher boiling point be worth doing?

You'll be fine if you don't go crazy and are really sympathetic to the state of the brakes and tyres. These are the first to start complaining. Brakes go all soft and you'll lose confidence in them and tyres get squidgy/floaty, grip lowers siginficantly and they will then wear really fast. So, some warm up laps, a maybe 2 or 3 hot laps (depending on track) and then cool down, check everything and have a rest for a bit. Repeat until tyres are shagged.

Swapping the brakes and tyres will give you the ability to properly exercise the car and reveal it's full capabilities.

**shimmy** · 19-03-2015, 02:47 PM

I disagree, you will likely boil your brakes in 6 laps, especially at bedford and especially if you are going "easy" which normally results in less cooling and more brake hovering.

Minimum fluid and pad upgrade needed but even that may not be enough and you may well waste half the day.

billyboysm3 · 19-03-2015, 03:01 PM

Personally, If you go to Bedford or Snetterton they are hard on brakes, if your new to track days then you might use the brake to much etc.

2 laps of Bedford GT or Snett and the below could happen.

You press the pedal at 120mph and the pedal goes to the floor and do not stop.

So, you get HEL braided hoses from Martin on here for about £85 ish
Set of RS29, say £400 +
Decent brake fluid £15

But it will not ruin your day or the car. OEM discs are fine.

You will always sell the RS29 even after 1 use for easily £300.

18-03-2015, 10:38 AM	#11
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	Cadwell is not the best place to start tbh. Ok for some but a bit to narrow to relax for others. __________________ .

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shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	I disagree, you will likely boil your brakes in 6 laps, especially at bedford and especially if you are going "easy" which normally results in less cooling and more brake hovering. Minimum fluid and pad upgrade needed but even that may not be enough and you may well waste half the day. __________________ .

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73CSL S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 464 Casino cash: $8747	I did my 1st ever trackday at Cadwell .. in the wet in a 40 year old 911 It was an experience, but not neccesarilly an enjoyable one

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billyboysm3 CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,001 Casino cash: $25206	I prefer Opentrack. Snetterton and Bedford have plenty of run off. What brake pads are on the car?

18-03-2015, 05:22 PM	#14
Jonnymaz S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Brough, near Hull Posts: 58 Casino cash: $3619	Thanks for continued messages. Have had a good look at the various companies, Javelin seems to have the most options for the tracks that would be best, with MSV next. I have OEM discs and pads, but they were all replaced about a year ago so I would be reluctant to swap them for something better so soon. If I decide not to sell and want to keep doing track days then I will probably upgrade then. Will definitely pay for tuition, and now I know to check tyre pressure... Will let you know once I get booked on one and may see some of you there.

18-03-2015, 05:36 PM	#15
billyboysm3 CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,001 Casino cash: $25206	Even though its your first TD be careful as the brake fluid will be standard and if you are hooooning it your brakes might go of in a couple of laps.

19-03-2015, 11:56 AM	#17
Jonnymaz S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Brough, near Hull Posts: 58 Casino cash: $3619	OK, brakes starting to concern me a little! Despite the obvious benefits of upgrading brakes, was hoping that for a first track day where I am unlikely to be pushing it to extreme, I could get by with the standard fairly new set that is on there. Is this going to end in disaster, or is it likely to be fine if I don't push it too hard and have regular cool downs? Anyone had successful track days using standard brakes?? Would simply changing the fluid to one with a higher boiling point be worth doing?

19-03-2015, 03:01 PM	#20
billyboysm3 CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,001 Casino cash: $25206	Personally, If you go to Bedford or Snetterton they are hard on brakes, if your new to track days then you might use the brake to much etc. 2 laps of Bedford GT or Snett and the below could happen. You press the pedal at 120mph and the pedal goes to the floor and do not stop. So, you get HEL braided hoses from Martin on here for about £85 ish Set of RS29, say £400 + Decent brake fluid £15 But it will not ruin your day or the car. OEM discs are fine. You will always sell the RS29 even after 1 use for easily £300.