CSL in the Snow ! - Page 2

cslsuperfan · 19-01-2015, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shimmy

Twice I have tried to drive my car out into the road outside my house when a little snow down and twice its been stranded 1.2m from my drive so NO

Tried it once in an E92 M3 DCT. Big mistake.
Wide tyres plus DCT equalled no control at all even from 5mph!!

managed to nurse the car back on to the drive using scaffolding boards.
Lesson learnt!!!

3wheels3 · 20-01-2015, 04:28 AM

It is always sooo tempting though but would feel a total berk after you cracked the lovely front bumper on a curb or parked car! Once got caught out and needed a run up with traction turned off to get out of car park along with someone keeping dog the road was clear...never again

Das Chin · 20-01-2015, 09:07 AM

get some winter tyres and you can go anywhere in the snow.

have seen many M3s, mercs and porkers in Germany on winters with no issues.

nothing will save you on snow even in a 4x4. you need spikes!!

Rick H · 20-01-2015, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Das Chin

get some winter tyres and you can go anywhere in the snow.

have seen many M3s, mercs and porkers in Germany on winters with no issues.

nothing will save you on snow even in a 4x4. you need spikes!!

Indeedy - I bought some chains a few years ago, never been out the box.

erdingtonjohn · 26-01-2015, 02:19 AM

Me and the Mrs got bored the Monday after Christmas and decided to go for a run out. A couple of hours later ended up in Munich in the worst weather they have had in years.

A3 was clear all the way down. Yes the tops were white but nothing to put us off. The road was clear and we made very good progress. Pulled of a road by the Olympic park and all hell broke loose.

The car was completely uncontrollable. We ended up having an escort by white van driver who sat behind us to our hotel by the main station after spinning it twice.

We abandoned the car and waited till the side road, the hotel was on was cleared and gritted before making our escape.

To round it off everything was closed so i never even got to the museum...

CSL and snow did not mix.

Winter tyres would have made a difference as there was a lot of Mercs and BMW's driving around as if nothing was there.

Chatting with the bar manager he told me they have more accidents in the snow with 4wd than 2wd. People think 4wd is a route to go anywhere and will attempt to go over the passes to there peril.

Chappers · 26-01-2015, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Das Chin

get some winter tyres and you can go anywhere in the snow.

have seen many M3s, mercs and porkers in Germany on winters with no issues.

nothing will save you on snow even in a 4x4. you need spikes!!

Spikes aren't really necessary unless you're doing extreme hill-climbs every day and in changeable conditions they can wreck the tarmac.

We run the Land Rovers on all-seasons and the Jags on winters with no issues out in Sweden. A lot of the locals have spikes just because it's almost like driving on tarmac. Gives them confidence I guess even if it's not strictly necessary.

The most dangerous thing on snow is someone in a 4WD who thinks that just because they were able to accelerate with their traction advantage they can stop or corner just as well and that's usually why it ends in tears.

**shimmy** · 26-01-2015, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chappers

Spikes aren't really necessary unless you're doing extreme hill-climbs every day and in changeable conditions they can wreck the tarmac.

We run the Land Rovers on all-seasons and the Jags on winters with no issues out in Sweden. A lot of the locals have spikes just because it's almost like driving on tarmac. Gives them confidence I guess even if it's not strictly necessary.

The most dangerous thing on snow is someone in a 4WD who thinks that just because they were able to accelerate with their traction advantage they can stop or corner just as well and that's usually why it ends in tears.

My Smax with winters was 500% better than
Range Rover Sport with summers. Tried to break and turn I snow with RrS and it was disastrous.

Chappers · 26-01-2015, 10:38 PM

What summers were they? I think we've only just started offering them as options on the RRS and yeah they're fairly tricky to stop with. The all-season options however are are very, very impressive. The commute to work over the past couple of weeks on completely white roads in the various RRSs was regularly done at 70-90mph with no worries whatsoever.

Proper winters for the win though. We have to test what the car comes on in each market so try everything. For instance the AWD XFs and XJs come on All-Seasons in the market they're sold, whereas there's a winter option for the AWD F-types and holy crap what a thing that is.

**shimmy** · 26-01-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chappers

What summers were they? I think we've only just started offering them as options on the RRS and yeah they're fairly tricky to stop with. The all-season options however are are very, very impressive. The commute to work over the past couple of weeks on completely white roads in the various RRSs was regularly done at 70-90mph with no worries whatsoever.

Proper winters for the win though. We have to test what the car comes on in each market so try everything. For instance the AWD XFs and XJs come on All-Seasons in the market they're sold, whereas there's a winter option for the AWD F-types and holy crap what a thing that is.

Don't recall but 2008 RRS TDV8. Was ok but the weight was always the biggest enemy on stoping and turning. Not saying it was bad but Smax on winters was better

Chappers · 26-01-2015, 10:46 PM

Interesting, yeah you're always going to fight physics in a 2.5 tonne car not to mention that a winter tyre in winter will always beat an all season, specially with the S-Max's weight advantage. What I find remarkable is how good the all-season still is in winter considering it's the very same tyre running around on the cars in the UAE!

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26-01-2015, 02:19 AM	#15
erdingtonjohn Mode S1 - Starting Out Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Birmingham Posts: 26 Casino cash: $461	Me and the Mrs got bored the Monday after Christmas and decided to go for a run out. A couple of hours later ended up in Munich in the worst weather they have had in years. A3 was clear all the way down. Yes the tops were white but nothing to put us off. The road was clear and we made very good progress. Pulled of a road by the Olympic park and all hell broke loose. The car was completely uncontrollable. We ended up having an escort by white van driver who sat behind us to our hotel by the main station after spinning it twice. We abandoned the car and waited till the side road, the hotel was on was cleared and gritted before making our escape. To round it off everything was closed so i never even got to the museum... CSL and snow did not mix. Winter tyres would have made a difference as there was a lot of Mercs and BMW's driving around as if nothing was there. Chatting with the bar manager he told me they have more accidents in the snow with 4wd than 2wd. People think 4wd is a route to go anywhere and will attempt to go over the passes to there peril. Last edited by erdingtonjohn; 26-01-2015 at 02:35 AM.

20-01-2015, 04:28 AM	#12
3wheels3 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 773 Casino cash: $21189	It is always sooo tempting though but would feel a total berk after you cracked the lovely front bumper on a curb or parked car! Once got caught out and needed a run up with traction turned off to get out of car park along with someone keeping dog the road was clear...never again

26-01-2015, 10:38 PM	#18
Chappers S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 388 Casino cash: $9894	What summers were they? I think we've only just started offering them as options on the RRS and yeah they're fairly tricky to stop with. The all-season options however are are very, very impressive. The commute to work over the past couple of weeks on completely white roads in the various RRSs was regularly done at 70-90mph with no worries whatsoever. Proper winters for the win though. We have to test what the car comes on in each market so try everything. For instance the AWD XFs and XJs come on All-Seasons in the market they're sold, whereas there's a winter option for the AWD F-types and holy crap what a thing that is.

26-01-2015, 10:46 PM	#20
Chappers S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 388 Casino cash: $9894	Interesting, yeah you're always going to fight physics in a 2.5 tonne car not to mention that a winter tyre in winter will always beat an all season, specially with the S-Max's weight advantage. What I find remarkable is how good the all-season still is in winter considering it's the very same tyre running around on the cars in the UAE!