Back in a CSL.. or 997 GT3?

[funtime]

Originally Posted by terryb

That looks like a very nice and well specced GT3. Mine now has 80k miles and is going as well and as strong as when I got it 4 years ago and almost 30k miles ago. I'd have a look at that one and take it for a drive, see what you think . These cars are better driven quickly than slowly

Thanks Terry, I might just do that... although if I'm honest I'd be keener if it was a 996.2 but there we go.

Originally Posted by DazBlackCSL

Yup my 997 GT3 still for sale, bonnet and roof carbon wrap comes off in 15 mins and detailed and waxed back to std for those who prefer it original, so not really a biggie.

Think as most buy to use on track and track day season has been slower to start due to weather not had that many calls, had a few silly 45k bids, someone offering an R8 in chop the trade is around 48 (offered from two specialists) as its fully up and together with recent major service so that's not needed for another 20k, new supersports all the extras inc passenger air bag de-activation (for Chloe to ride in her car seat in the front)

Just clicked 40k full service history Porsche and specialists, 3 years ago I was thinking I would only have one with carbon buckets etc etc, but in reality if your using it as a daily the std spec comfort is the one to have, doesn't change the drive or lap times or experience with a cage or buckets

Plus you don't look like a **** when your getting out of the car at work or the local shops !!

On iPad so can't post link ads expired and not renewing just yet ( don't really want to sell it to be honest ) so just pm me if your interested and im more than happy for you to take her out and have a looky, Alex and Stu have driven it in the last few weeks so can vouch for her

Thanks Darren, yours does look lovely but it's only a weekend toy for me and going to be (hopefully) using it on track a bit so I'm really after a clubsport spec... shame as yours looks like it wants for nothing! Having said that though, my girlfriend much prefers the comfort model and yours is one of the cheapest on the market due to the miles so it is still tempting!!

Originally Posted by DazBlackCSL

Forgot to answer your original question !

Loved my CSL had her for the longest I've ever owned a car just over 4 years, purchased with 30k on and sold her with just over 90k, loads of miles on track, ring and road, it was my actual daily, probably better in std form for those duties than with all the toys I had on her by the time I sold it.

Had to scratch the 997 GT3 itch though, and sitting in a 996 v 997 as a daily it's far nicer don't doubt the 996 enthusiasts say is supposed to be better drive, either one requires effort and to get under the skin a lot more than a CSL.

Once you spend a bit of time with one it is far more rewarding to drive quicker as it does need respect and understanding to drive harder, once you do hook it up it's immense, and the manual box is awesome, learn to H&T and it's a knife through butter pin sharp, steering is go kart like responsive and with sport on, dampers switched to hard and traction off its a weapon, and the noise

Anyway regardless of whether your looking at mine or not, have a drive I would tick the box, pretty much depreciation free ish, paid 55k a year ago so up for 49,999 at the mo.

Hope that helps

haha yeah thanks for answering the question like you I loved my CSL and didn't get it on track anywhere near as much as I would have liked and drove it in m-track mode everywhere but never really drove it with the traction off. Part of my thinks I should just get a CSL and learn to drive that to the limit first with the traction off before I step it up a few notches with a GT3 and introduce heel & toe etc....

Hmmm best get driving a few then!! I am impatient though, so it won't be long - if Marks CSL was SG i'd buy it tomorrow but I think that's partly why it's still for sale

[Mark CSL]

Originally Posted by funtime

Hmmm best get driving a few then!! I am impatient though, so it won't be long - if Marks CSL was SG i'd buy it tomorrow but I think that's partly why it's still for sale

My car has had 4 offers of full asking price from an hour after it went up for sale
The car is at Bmw waiting on a part being fixed so until i get her back i cant sell it

SB is the faster car even when selling


Buy the GT3 and lust after the CSL I am having second thoughts about my car and if the e90 m3 dtc is not up to the job it will be staying for another 6 years

[funtime]

Originally Posted by Mark CSL

My car has had 4 offers of full asking price from an hour after it went up for sale
The car is at Bmw waiting on a part being fixed so until i get her back i cant sell it

SB is the faster car even when selling


Buy the GT3 and lust after the CSL I am having second thoughts about my car and if the e90 m3 dtc is not up to the job it will be staying for another 6 years

I was suprised it hadn't gone so that explains it. Although there does seem to be more demand for SG I think.

So does this mean its sold then Mark? Have you not taken a deposit from someone yet? What are BMW fixing at the moment? - there can't be much left on the car to replace!!

[Pip1968]

Originally Posted by funtime

Quick question - what's the traction control like in the GT3's? is it just on or off or does it have a track or race setting like the CSL? I'm guessing it's less intrusive than the CSL's but haven't driven one yet!

Funtime, just to answer this the 996 has no nannying aids like traction control whilst the 997 Mk II has PSM (Porsche Stability Management) and TC which can be switched off. The Mk I only has TC.

996 GT3 is a completely different drive to a CSL and feels a little more like a wild animal. No idea on the 997 GT3 but still hanker after a 997 GT3 RS. Definately test drive one.

Pip

[DazBlackCSL]

Mines a Mk1 997 and has PASM and TC it's a very late 57 08 spec / model not sure if that's why

[funtime]

Well that does it for me then... Won't even consider a 996 if they don't have any traction at all! Call me a big girl but when it's raining or I'm on a track like the Ring I want to be able to enjoy the car and not tiptoe round...

With the CSL in M-track it would still intervene at points round the ring, but I know I wouldn't be able to save it every time when pushing hard...

Darren - what's the TC like on yours compared to the CSL in M-track? Does it allow slightly more slip or is it more intrusive?

Thanks,
James

[DazBlackCSL]

It's spot on bud, just enough to feel the car but you know it's there just in case, mind you once they go they go, engine in the back nothing up front it's like pendulum

Seriously though well worth getting some tuition as the more aggressive you are with them the more grip they have, dab of brake, or pull of speed to get the nose to dive, position it and hard back on the loud peddle when you would mentally be telling yourself not too, did a long day a silverstone with an ex Porsche racer and rallycross guy, and he transformed the way I drove it, I was a pussy in the am and was running wide on exit each corner as was not being aggressive enough, once I got the confidence to push hard and take it by the scruff the mechanical grip is mental and pulls you in a tigher line and just corners like its on rails.

That the age old thing with a 911 don't be gentle and never back of mid corner or be half hearted and it comes to you, felt like a different car driving home, and so glad I did it before my ring trip in her in Oct.

Makes me smile thinking about it

Originally Posted by funtime

Well that does it for me then... Won't even consider a 996 if they don't have any traction at all! Call me a big girl but when it's raining or I'm on a track like the Ring I want to be able to enjoy the car and not tiptoe round...

With the CSL in M-track it would still intervene at points round the ring, but I know I wouldn't be able to save it every time when pushing hard...

Darren - what's the TC like on yours compared to the CSL in M-track? Does it allow slightly more slip or is it more intrusive?

Thanks,
James

[funtime]

Originally Posted by DazBlackCSL

It's spot on bud, just enough to feel the car but you know it's there just in case, mind you once they go they go, engine in the back nothing up front it's like pendulum

Seriously though well worth getting some tuition as the more aggressive you are with them the more grip they have, dab of brake, or pull of speed to get the nose to dive, position it and hard back on the loud peddle when you would mentally be telling yourself not too, did a long day a silverstone with an ex Porsche racer and rallycross guy, and he transformed the way I drove it, I was a pussy in the am and was running wide on exit each corner as was not being aggressive enough, once I got the confidence to push hard and take it by the scruff the mechanical grip is mental and pulls you in a tigher line and just corners like its on rails.

That the age old thing with a 911 don't be gentle and never back of mid corner or be half hearted and it comes to you, felt like a different car driving home, and so glad I did it before my ring trip in her in Oct.

Makes me smile thinking about it

Sounds amazing, and I was planning on doing some driver training! I always have a lesson when i do a track day but need to start doing more of them!

I have heard of the pendulum like effect when you loose it though! have you lost your at all?

[DazBlackCSL]

Originally Posted by funtime

Sounds amazing, and I was planning on doing some driver training! I always have a lesson when i do a track day but need to start doing more of them!

I have heard of the pendulum like effect when you loose it though! have you lost your at all?

Luckily not yet, had a couple of little moves left and right but again keep the foot in and it will correct, all about confidence I suppose as your first reaction is to ease of when it first goes, that's when it all goes wrong

[niall1]

Originally Posted by funtime

Well that does it for me then... Won't even consider a 996 if they don't have any traction at all!

For me that was the attraction. Don't like the TC/M button/Sport button, although as my daily driver I admit I use the M button as part of my daily routine (turn car on, light on, press M button). It allows a bit of slip as otherwise I find the Diff and TC fight each other at every gravel strewn junction..
(Irish roads).