Some updates/mods and a good clean

[Mark CSL]

I would never wear a harness in a car with no cage if its over you are dead

[mattCSLnut]

Sorry to say this but ... Seriously ?!?!
IMHO these quick release harnesses look ill fitted over your CSL seats and may potentially be dangerous. The shoulder straps are too far apart + where exactly are they anchored at the back ?
For the records the OEM Cecil seat & belt combo is perfectly supportive around the Ring + you have the benefit of pre-tension with the OEM set up, should the worst happen. Harnesses work best with appropriate Racing bucket seats with equally appropriate harness cut outs in them.

Originally Posted by gingernuts

Gave the CSL a good clean today, and got some photos of it with the little mods Ive added.

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schroth quick release harnesses

[chrisburns]

Originally Posted by gingernuts

If a standard seat belt just uses two points of contact, and this uses four. Id assume that was safer. Im sure schroth wouldn't make something that wasn't tested and up to standard.

The four points being the seat mountings ? if so there is no way these were designed to withstand lateral forces in the event of an accident. Seat belt mountings on the other hand are designed to be just that.

[Bealo]

All i have ever used on track is a CG lock with the standard belts.

Aslong as you pull the crotch strap really tight you don't move in your seat at all.

It's good enough for me. and can be removed by undoing 2 x allen bolts in 2 minutes.

[3wheels3]

Last time I looked Scroth do NOT recommend without shoulder cut outs and explicitly recommend not to do this without cut outs.

Mounting points are existing seat belt points so ok as is angle of harness from rear mounting points. But not with those seats for me, sorry. If you keep the seats, as bealo said, CG Lock is really good. CG helps in the corners holding pelvis are stopping bum lift whilst also helping when you're on't eccles.

[3wheels3]

Here it is. Page 21 Seat Requirements. Either do suitable seats Or CG Lock imo.

http://www.schroth.com/installation-...bout_bolts.htm

[gingernuts]

Calm down chaps. As mentioned they were only going to be for track days, but having seen the multiude of evidence against them, I think ill stick to the CG lock and punt these. Luckily I got them very cheap so should be able to move them on ok.

For those concerned about mounting points, they are designed to be attached where the rear seatbelts clips are. As mentioned they may not work with these seats but they are designed for an E46 M3 so id assume with the correct seats they will be ok.

[3wheels3]

If you got at decent price may be hold on and if you decide you'd like to go harness get suitable seat then. Pretty sure those harness has tuv thingy or whatever so be ok at ring.

[shimmy]

dont listen to them all......bloody wingers

if you want perfect safety DONT DRIVE, and everything else is just a degree of compromise

Id rather sit with you in your car in my pants and vest holding a can of petrol. and wearing those harnesses THAN sit in Jimbos car with a full cage and harness

[chrisburns]