BMW 1m

[Yanto]

Originally Posted by alexk

I don't know why Rutkowski is trying to convince everybody here that the CSL is not good.
It's almost like going to Mekkah to read the bible to the public.

I am like glendog, I adore the CSL

you haven't seen his new site...

http://www.1mregister.com

[alexk]

Originally Posted by Rutkowski

The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

Maybe you are not reading other threads.
My CSL for example with full tank, SS backbox (race lightweight), AP racing and aircon/radiocd/xenon/rainsensor is 1420kg.

[Rutkowski]

Fair enough, Gents - you win.

What i meant is that if they were to put standard M3 on Cups and test the lightest, stock M3 - there would be 0.5 seconds difference, no more IMHO.

That's a short track though - on longer, it'd be a different story not to mention that a heavier M3 would overheat tyres and brakes sooner.

[alexk]

Originally Posted by Yanto

you haven't seen his new site...

http://www.1mregister.com

Hahaha, we could register and start explaining everybody that the 1M is a 135i with LSD and worse single-piston brakes (aka Fuchsroehre spec TM).

[Rutkowski]

By the way - i have been taking apart my M3 and weighing stuff... i can't believe how heavy interior alone is... sound insulation + carpets alone is 25kg +
Dashboard 9.9kg, fully electric seats 28.6 kg each etc...

[alexk]

Originally Posted by Rutkowski

Fair enough, Gents - you win.

What i meant is that if they were to put standard M3 on Cups and test the lightest, stock M3 - there would be 0.5 seconds difference, no more IMHO.

That's a short track though - on longer, it'd be a different story not to mention that a heavier M3 would overheat tyres and brakes sooner.

I don't know if you have driven a CSL for more than 1 hour.
If you have, you would understand that it's day and night compared to the standard M3.
Even with standard tyres, the M3 CSL is much faster everywhere. On the straight, on the curves, on the track.
These are derived by facts and laptimes, not by assumptions.

To be honest with you, this story with the CUPs is old and dull.
It's usually the one M3 E46 owners come up with, to argue the case that a CSL is no better than their car.
Oh well, you can't convince everybody right ? But I would expect that you understand this as you are very involved in cars

[Rutkowski]

Originally Posted by alexk

Maybe you are not reading other threads.
My CSL for example with full tank, SS backbox (race lightweight), AP racing and aircon/radiocd/xenon/rainsensor is 1420kg.

i am not trying to convince people of anything but merely asking questions and trying to learn, that's all. I spent 1000s buying CSL parts so it'd be stupid of me, saying CSLs are rubbish - wouldn't it?

[Rutkowski]

Originally Posted by alexk

I don't know if you have driven a CSL for more than 1 hour.
If you have, you would understand that it's day and night compared to the standard M3.
Even with standard tyres, the M3 CSL is much faster everywhere. On the straight, on the curves, on the track.
These are derived by facts and laptimes, not by assumptions.

To be honest with you, this story with the CUPs is old and dull.
It's usually the one M3 E46 owners come up with, to argue the case that a CSL is no better than their car.
Oh well, you can't convince everybody right ? But I would expect that you understand this as you are very involved in cars

at what point did i ever say, anywhere that a standard M3 is just as good or better, Alex??

[shane@mbtech]

My dads bigger than your dad

[Rutkowski]

Originally Posted by lawsy

My dads bigger than your dad

my dad used to be an olympic weight lifter.