So who has the most highly modified CSL?

[chicken]

Ahh ok, why look at cecils then? you should get something 'merican or Japanese, plenty of stage 1 600+ HP GT-R's around,

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by chicken

Ahh ok, why look at cecils then? you should get something 'merican or Japanese, plenty of stage 1 600+ HP GT-R's around,

American ? I'm not looking for a straight line muscle car, I'm after handling finesse , I just want a bit more power than a standard Cecil (400bhp would be nice).

Tried a GTR, didn't like it - does too much for you and due to its weight isn't actually that fast (didn't seem any faster than a 997 GT3 RS v.1). It's impressive that it can do what it does, and I REALLY wanted to gel with it, as it would be a car that could do everything, but it left me cold.

As Stu (Bealo) will tell you, I've had a thing for CSLs for years, but the lack of performance (compared to what I've been used to) has previously deterred me. However, I'm now getting older and am starting to realise you don't NEED mega power to have fun, but a BIT more would be nice .

IMO the CSL is the best M car BMW ever built, and I am feeling the need for one. Nothing else will do .

[chicken]

Ok now that's a whole different story

It's far better value buying an e46 m3, do the usual that you would on a csl, brakes, suspension and then just shed some of the full fat e46 m3 weight and do a couple performance mods to liven the engine a bit.

Or better yet buy one that's already had the above done

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by chicken

Ok now that's a whole different story

It's far better value buying an e46 m3, do the usual that you would on a csl, brakes, suspension and then just shed some of the full fat e46 m3 weight and do a couple performance mods to liven the engine a bit.

Or better yet buy one that's already had the above done

Show me .

[Yanto]

Can we have a "tecnical debating society" sub-forum set up

I get bored of these willy waving POWER threads....

[Bealo]

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

Remind me nearer the time .

You never did tell me why you got this as opposed to the GTR (I was looking forward to looking after that for you )?

Ok will do.

The reason I didn't buy the Datsun was mainly the trans temp issues on track. They are a fantastic car but when I drove the Porsche I knew it was for me.

How you can call a 996 GT2 ugly is beyond me!!! But you always have had strange taste putting up with that fragile Escort for aslong as you have!

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by Yanto

Can we have a "tecnical debating society" sub-forum set up

I get bored of these willy waving POWER threads....

I don't understand why anyone considers an opinion different to their own as "willy waving".

This is why I'm talking to owners who have real world experience to establish what are worth while modifications - get over it .

[sjb]

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

Basically yes, because I am used to 500+bhp cars and secondly because I'm a seriel modifier :oops:.

Just a thought but maybe you are barking up the wrong tree with a csl. I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here but the s54 engine in 'CSL' tune is pretty much at the limit of tune/reliability vs cost/gain. Whilst the engine is and was highly regarded as a masterpiece it is an 'old' engine. And would an extra 35-40hp really be that noticeable? (I say this as my 130hp VW Transporter ain't that much quicker than my mates 84hp one ) just 'because' you can get the extra 35-40hp doesn't mean it's worthwhile..... wouldn't chassis work be more productive around a circuit?
Sometimes you have to admit defeat and just agree, for what it is a CSL is an amazing car standard, I'm limiting my mods to a Brembo BBK because I don't feel right doing any more to it.
JUST my opinion, interesting as always hearing other views.....although the 'my car is faster than your car' is wearing a little thin

[Yanto]

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

I don't understand why anyone considers an opinion different to their own as "willy waving".

This is why I'm talking to owners who have real world experience to establish what are worth while modifications - get over it .

Was tongue in cheek mate....

[chicken]

You said you wanted something that handles, what about an anal atom Or one of those catermaran things?