what are the best brakes to upgrade to? - Page 8

**shimmy** · 13-02-2011, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5 Powered

As mentioned earlier, the best pads are the RS29's — which installed and bedded correctly DON'T squeal!

best

Jonathan

Yes they do

M5 Powered · 13-02-2011, 12:37 AM

Use more copper grease

**shimmy** · 13-02-2011, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5 Powered

Use more copper grease

Lard is better

shane@mbtech · 13-02-2011, 12:42 AM

My rs29 did not squeal.

M5 Powered · 13-02-2011, 12:52 AM

Shimmy, Is that on the CSL or the Mx5? If the latter should you not be using L'Oréal paste?

**AlexGTT** · 13-02-2011, 01:44 AM

Drive like Miss Daisy and they squeal.

Drive like you should and they don't.

titan · 13-02-2011, 10:58 AM

The AP vs Alcon threads are legendary on almost every car forum. The same old stuff gets repeated.

If we pop on down to planet reality, I suspect that average Jo would never notice the difference. There are other factors that typically influence the decision.

I went with alcon because its what I had on the evo (so a known quantity), what my friend Jim has on his M3 (which brakes just fine) and the front discs/pads are the same as my evo, so I can keep one set of spares.

Common sense tells me that a larger disc will dissipate heat better and allow for a bigger pad surface therefore a bigger braking force. But common sense can't always be relied on.

I've spoken to a number of people about the front rear bias problem that has been discussed and not found anyone just yet who agrees or thinks that if the setup felt wrong, it could not be cured by different pad choices. I don't wish to argue this point lawsy, I accept that car characteristics are a personal opinion and you believe the AP setup to favour your driving; fair enough but in the interests of balance its worth pointing out that this isn't a universal view.

Either will be awesome compared to stock :-)

funtime · 13-02-2011, 11:06 AM

Wheres the best (cheapest

) place to get a set of these Alcons? is there anywhere that supplies them for the same sort of money as Lawsy's Evo contact?

They shouldn't be any more as it's the same kit just with a different alloy bell and mounting bracket

titan · 13-02-2011, 11:30 AM

Mine came from thorny, £3.3k if I recall.

Its difficult to get "a cheap price" on alcons. Unlike AP they are only sold few a through channels in order to protect the brand. Reassuringly expensive ;-)

Ears couldn't match my thorny price for the unbranded alcon kit. So I went with the csl cup kit. As to whether you prefer the colours, thats personal.

One of the guys at alcon pulled the spec sheets and confirmed there was no difference between the csl cup kit and the alcon-stamped kit.

FWIW, I would recommend the carbotech pads. Lesser known as a brand, but I've been using them on other cars for ages and they seem more friendly than pagids. Available in a whole host of compounds, XP10 front and XP8 rear is a good combo, ace on trackdays, works fine on the road. Wheel friendly.

M5 Powered · 13-02-2011, 12:24 PM

Yes, agree with Titan.

Alcon are VERY protective over their few distributors. I actually know someone at the factory and there was absolutely no chance of a mates rates set!

Titan, how much do the carbotech pads work out for £££? for a set.

Jonathan

13-02-2011, 12:37 AM	#72
M5 Powered S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: May 2009 Location: Solihull, West Midlands Posts: 297 Casino cash: $2712	Use more copper grease __________________ M3 CSL, Silver Grey, 2004, Factory de-limit, Alcon BBK, Rogue Rear Control Arms, Turner Top Mounts, Braille CF Battery

13-02-2011, 12:52 AM	#75
M5 Powered S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: May 2009 Location: Solihull, West Midlands Posts: 297 Casino cash: $2712	Shimmy, Is that on the CSL or the Mx5? If the latter should you not be using L'Oréal paste? __________________ M3 CSL, Silver Grey, 2004, Factory de-limit, Alcon BBK, Rogue Rear Control Arms, Turner Top Mounts, Braille CF Battery

13-02-2011, 01:44 AM	#76
AlexGTT CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 4,374 Casino cash: $8572	Drive like Miss Daisy and they squeal. Drive like you should and they don't. __________________ CSL Register Alcoholics Anonymous Group Leader & Businessman of the Year '93! www.earleyengineering.com

13-02-2011, 12:24 PM	#80
M5 Powered S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: May 2009 Location: Solihull, West Midlands Posts: 297 Casino cash: $2712	Yes, agree with Titan. Alcon are VERY protective over their few distributors. I actually know someone at the factory and there was absolutely no chance of a mates rates set! Titan, how much do the carbotech pads work out for £££? for a set. Jonathan __________________ M3 CSL, Silver Grey, 2004, Factory de-limit, Alcon BBK, Rogue Rear Control Arms, Turner Top Mounts, Braille CF Battery

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13-02-2011, 12:42 AM	#74
shane@mbtech CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: warrington Posts: 5,419 Casino cash: $19783	My rs29 did not squeal.

13-02-2011, 10:58 AM	#77
titan S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 268 Casino cash: $1363	The AP vs Alcon threads are legendary on almost every car forum. The same old stuff gets repeated. If we pop on down to planet reality, I suspect that average Jo would never notice the difference. There are other factors that typically influence the decision. I went with alcon because its what I had on the evo (so a known quantity), what my friend Jim has on his M3 (which brakes just fine) and the front discs/pads are the same as my evo, so I can keep one set of spares. Common sense tells me that a larger disc will dissipate heat better and allow for a bigger pad surface therefore a bigger braking force. But common sense can't always be relied on. I've spoken to a number of people about the front rear bias problem that has been discussed and not found anyone just yet who agrees or thinks that if the setup felt wrong, it could not be cured by different pad choices. I don't wish to argue this point lawsy, I accept that car characteristics are a personal opinion and you believe the AP setup to favour your driving; fair enough but in the interests of balance its worth pointing out that this isn't a universal view. Either will be awesome compared to stock :-)

13-02-2011, 11:06 AM	#78
funtime S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sussex Posts: 613 Casino cash: $5830	Wheres the best (cheapest ) place to get a set of these Alcons? is there anywhere that supplies them for the same sort of money as Lawsy's Evo contact? They shouldn't be any more as it's the same kit just with a different alloy bell and mounting bracket

13-02-2011, 11:30 AM	#79
titan S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 268 Casino cash: $1363	Mine came from thorny, £3.3k if I recall. Its difficult to get "a cheap price" on alcons. Unlike AP they are only sold few a through channels in order to protect the brand. Reassuringly expensive ;-) Ears couldn't match my thorny price for the unbranded alcon kit. So I went with the csl cup kit. As to whether you prefer the colours, thats personal. One of the guys at alcon pulled the spec sheets and confirmed there was no difference between the csl cup kit and the alcon-stamped kit. FWIW, I would recommend the carbotech pads. Lesser known as a brand, but I've been using them on other cars for ages and they seem more friendly than pagids. Available in a whole host of compounds, XP10 front and XP8 rear is a good combo, ace on trackdays, works fine on the road. Wheel friendly.