So who has the most highly modified CSL?

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by sjb

Fair play to that!! Looks like a standard 2.8i or 280 to me !

Did you not wonder how it was able to stay in touch with the CSL ?

[alexk]

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

Alex,
The weights given by manufacturers tend to be an average of all the wheels across the various offsets in that size, so you'd really need to weigh the exact wheel in question (with the correct offset for a CSL) to get a truly accurate comparison - you might find that they are heavier (or even lighter) than quoted, depending on the offset (which is achieved by more or less material in the centre of the wheel, as in a high offset wheel will weigh more than a low offset wheel of the exact same type and size).

Where the weights for the OE CSL wheel, I assume are for that specific wheel / offset for the car?

Mike, the wheel weights that I posted are for CSL fitment.
Also, CSL wheels have of course CSL offsets.

[73CSL]

I'm new to CSL's , but seems its similar to GT3 situation ... as in , the motor is already at high state of tune. With GT3's , to mod them for more power is huge cost for small gains. Most don't bother & leave the engine as it is & instead concentrate on teh usual suspension , brakes etc.

For anyone whos' a power junkie, the best thing to do is go for either a modded Turbo / GT2

As you can see from your own cars, the best route for power tuning Turbo / SC. My own Turbo was only mapped ( 1.0 bar) + a sports back box, but that was meant to be 520bhp ...... for a relatively small investment you can wind them up to 650bhp .. throw more cash & you're higher still

I imagine it comes down to what you are actually trying to acheive ?

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by Hot66

I'm new to CSL's , but seems its similar to GT3 situation ... as in , the motor is already at high state of tune. With GT3's , to mod them for more power is huge cost for small gains. Most don't bother & leave the engine as it is & instead concentrate on teh usual suspension , brakes etc.

For anyone whos' a power junkie, the best thing to do is go for either a modded Turbo / GT2

As you can see from your own cars, the best route for power tuning Turbo / SC. My own Turbo was only mapped ( 1.0 bar) + a sports back box, but that was meant to be 520bhp ...... for a relatively small investment you can wind them up to 650bhp .. throw more cash & you're higher still

I imagine it comes down to what you are actually trying to acheive ?

I did consider a 997 GT2, but that would mean selling all the other cars to do so. And then I also started to think about how I would drive a car that stood me in at £70-80k on a track day, and came to the conclusion that the answer to that would be "like a girl" , so given that this is what I would want it for, I had to have a rethink.

I could keep the Escort and get something that sits between the E90 for refinement and the Escort for track fun - the CSL was the only car I could think of that fitted the bill (and was one I actually liked).

[phoenixcsl]

Mike I know your name from somewhere...

Were you on scoobynet at some point, probably about 10+ years ago?!

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by phoenixcsl

Mike I know your name from somewhere...

Were you on scoobynet at some point, probably about 10+ years ago?!

Yep, and we still have a couple of Scoobies to this day as well .

[73CSL]

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

I did consider a 997 GT2, but that would mean selling all the other cars to do so. And then I also started to think about how I would drive a car that stood me in at £70-80k on a track day, and came to the conclusion that the answer to that would be "like a girl" , so given that this is what I would want it for, I had to have a rethink.

I could keep the Escort and get something that sits between the E90 for refinement and the Escort for track fun - the CSL was the only car I could think of that fitted the bill (and was one I actually liked).

996 turbo & 996 GT2 is an easier car to mod. 997 went to the fancy variable vane turbos. A decent manual box turbo is around £25K - £30K .... a GT2 a bit more

This is a well known car at a good price ( due to higher miles)

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/611/996GT2/

[Bealo]

Originally Posted by shimmy

How many ponies are you kicking out now?

Have been told it will be somewhere between 700-750 by the time I get back in May for the Euro trip.

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

Alex,
The weights given by manufacturers tend to be an average of all the wheels across the various offsets in that size, so you'd really need to weigh the exact wheel in question (with the correct offset for a CSL) to get a truly accurate comparison - you might find that they are heavier (or even lighter) than quoted, depending on the offset (which is achieved by more or less material in the centre of the wheel, as in a high offset wheel will weigh more than a low offset wheel of the exact same type and size).

Where the weights for the OE CSL wheel, I assume are for that specific wheel / offset for the car?

You are right, they tend to quote weights of low offsets then stick a lump of alloy to increase the offset which lifts the weight by 0.5-1.0 kg........but it is weightat the centre and not really having any rotational effect.

Also they rarely quote stiffness which is equally important.

[phoenixcsl]

Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird

Yep, and we still have a couple of Scoobies to this day as well .

Thought as much! I used to be on there many moons ago when I had my STI-V5 ah happy days...

Anyway, stop coming on here causing trouble