what are the best brakes to upgrade to?

[DazBlackCSL]

Originally Posted by Curly

Glad i bought the gayman now

Goes with the bag

[NZ_M3]

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

Can you show your calculations please.

Just for you mate

I used stoptech's formula from here:
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/fo...g_dynamics.pdf

Torque created by the caliper on the rotor (at the wheel) = TW

TW = PS x AP x μ x 2 x RE

PS = Pressure of system;
AP = Total Area of pistons in one half of caliper (one side of opposed type or active (piston) side of sliding or floater type);
μ (CoF) = Friction Coefficient; x 2, since there are two sides of the rotor that the pads are exerting force against;
RE = Effective Radius of clamping force

RE is expressed as Re = (D+d)/4
where D is disc usable outside diameter and d is disc usable inside diameter. Although Stoptech provided that the effective radius on the M3 can be expressed as ((disc diameter/20)-(AP))

The Brake Bias ratio is simply TW (front)/TW (Rear)

Have fun


And for those really good at Physics, here's a really good page full of formulas:

http://www.engineeringinspiration.co...calcs.html#der

[glendog74]

My head hurts again Tom - make it stop!

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by NZ_M3

Just for you mate

I used stoptech's formula from here:
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/fo...g_dynamics.pdf

Torque created by the caliper on the rotor (at the wheel) = TW

TW = PS x AP x μ x 2 x RE

PS = Pressure of system;
AP = Total Area of pistons in one half of caliper (one side of opposed type or active (piston) side of sliding or floater type);
μ (CoF) = Friction Coefficient; x 2, since there are two sides of the rotor that the pads are exerting force against;
RE = Effective Radius of clamping force

RE is expressed as Re = (D+d)/4
where D is disc usable outside diameter and d is disc usable inside diameter. Although Stoptech provided that the effective radius on the M3 can be expressed as ((disc diameter/20)-(AP))

The Brake Bias ratio is simply TW (front)/TW (Rear)

Have fun


And for those really good at Physics, here's a really good page full of formulas:

http://www.engineeringinspiration.co...calcs.html#der

+1

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by glendog74

My head hurts again Tom - make it stop!

I suggest less of this and more of that ...

[NZ_M3]

Originally Posted by glendog74

My head hurts again Tom - make it stop!

Sorry

Originally Posted by lawsy

I appreciate your input Tom, but math aside, when I fitted the Alcons, driving the same track, same weather, same wheels/tyres,same suspension.

It affected the balance of the car under extreme braking, not alarmingly so, but enough for me to notice, and enough to see drops in corner entry/mid corner/corner exit speeds, which also slowed down my straight line speed.

The alcon kit is very very good, but just makes the car feel unbalanced at 100% attack.

I am also not the only person to notice this.

The "issue" obviously has not bothered me at all as I now have Alcon fitted on my Evo X.

Shane I get what you are saying exactly. When I run different brake pad compounds in my car I notice a shift in brake balance. I can imagine what it must be like with the rear kit also in place.

Perhaps time we all invest in a brake bias adjuster

[_Nathan_]

I have just bought this pedal box.

[_Nathan_]

Ps, Ta for the calcs.

[DazBlackCSL]

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

I have just bought this pedal box.

Nice box Nath

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

I have just bought this pedal box.

i can imagine you sitting there watch telly with your feet resting on it