AP Racing OR Alcon ? - Page 6

dave1 · 14-02-2009, 11:15 AM

alcon caliper is 2 kilo,s lighter than standard caliper and the disc is half a kilo lighter than standard

add the weight of the bracket and a couple of bolts but it is still a big saving and that is un sprung weight which i seem to remember you can times by a factor of 5 as far as the effect on handling

i read a post on mtorque where someone said they lost some weight with a brake upgrade and several people said you probably added weight well i guess not

**DazBlackCSL** · 14-02-2009, 11:46 AM

BBK are quite a lot lighter , ap / alcons about the same ish , but as you say much lighter than std , and much better ...

Interested to see what that 1 series kit (bmw performance) ones are that people are having tweaked for a 3 series

SMD · 14-02-2009, 11:51 AM

Will see what my brake kit weighs before fitting. it is very big tho!

SpineOnABap · 14-02-2009, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMD

Will see what my brake kit weighs before fitting. it is very big tho!

I very nearly stole that kit the other night when I was getting my discs renewed

SMD · 14-02-2009, 12:36 PM

Whatd do you think of the paint and stickers mate they have done a great job!

SpineOnABap · 14-02-2009, 12:52 PM

First class as always

Ade · 15-05-2009, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shake&Bake

I currently have standard brakes. I want to get at least 1 trackday in to compare standard before I buy an upgrade. Very interesting thread.

I was the same. I have/had standard brakes, and I decided to do a trackday to see how they performed before I made any decisions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave1

the standard brakes are useless on track

These were the standard brakes after a couple hours at Snetterton... (DSC off so no traction control braking unnecessarily)

Melted down to their backing plates!

Brakes are being upgraded as I'm writing this... will post up pics soon and report back.

Ade · 15-05-2009, 08:26 PM

Pulled the trigger.

Here are some lousy pics from the blackberry

Just got back, and all I can say about the Alcons on road... F A N T A S T I C!

Immediate bite, proper strength all through the pedal without the kind of 'flex' that the OEM calipers gave. Feel is slightly diminished (as expected), but I suspect that they will prove easy to modulate when used hard on track.

I spent a fair bit of time with the technicians Tom and Chris, talking through various things, and also them explaining various aspects of the brakes/car to me. I realise this probably wasn't the norm, but my car was the last one out of the workshop on a Friday afternoon, and I appreciated their time and effort to explain things. Kudos to them as I watched them take their time with the installation, checking, and cleaning as they went along. My thanks to John for his time and advice - we initially said that APs were probably good enough for my use, but I just like having the assurance that the Alcons are more than I will ever need. Hats off to the guys at Thorney for great service

At first I wasn't too sure about the yellow calipers, but they are growing on me... :dontknow:

Here are some pics fitted...

csl_mba · 15-05-2009, 08:30 PM

they look the bobbies mate!!!

Jeff · 15-05-2009, 10:37 PM

Ade, I'd be interested to know what the feel is like? I drove the BHP car with alcons all round, admittedly after getting out of the GT3 and I put my head through the windscreen in the BHP car. I found it far too assisted with far too much bite for my liking. Did you find the pedal got harder after the upgrade or easier?

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dave1 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: CORNWALL Posts: 937 Casino cash: $1432	alcon caliper is 2 kilo,s lighter than standard caliper and the disc is half a kilo lighter than standard add the weight of the bracket and a couple of bolts but it is still a big saving and that is un sprung weight which i seem to remember you can times by a factor of 5 as far as the effect on handling i read a post on mtorque where someone said they lost some weight with a brake upgrade and several people said you probably added weight well i guess not

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15-05-2009, 08:26 PM	#58
Ade S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Middlesex Posts: 247 Casino cash: $853	Pulled the trigger. Here are some lousy pics from the blackberry Just got back, and all I can say about the Alcons on road... F A N T A S T I C! Immediate bite, proper strength all through the pedal without the kind of 'flex' that the OEM calipers gave. Feel is slightly diminished (as expected), but I suspect that they will prove easy to modulate when used hard on track. I spent a fair bit of time with the technicians Tom and Chris, talking through various things, and also them explaining various aspects of the brakes/car to me. I realise this probably wasn't the norm, but my car was the last one out of the workshop on a Friday afternoon, and I appreciated their time and effort to explain things. Kudos to them as I watched them take their time with the installation, checking, and cleaning as they went along. My thanks to John for his time and advice - we initially said that APs were probably good enough for my use, but I just like having the assurance that the Alcons are more than I will ever need. Hats off to the guys at Thorney for great service At first I wasn't too sure about the yellow calipers, but they are growing on me... :dontknow: Here are some pics fitted...

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Jeff S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southfields, London Posts: 121 Casino cash: $675	Ade, I'd be interested to know what the feel is like? I drove the BHP car with alcons all round, admittedly after getting out of the GT3 and I put my head through the windscreen in the BHP car. I found it far too assisted with far too much bite for my liking. Did you find the pedal got harder after the upgrade or easier?