A quick Alcon brake review (glass half full for Dan) ;-) - Page 5

_Nathan_ · 27-02-2011, 10:14 AM

Glad you have moved forward so to speak. Not sure on the pads though, they are used at le mans etc and don't display the issues you seem to have?

titan · 27-02-2011, 11:24 AM

Who knows eh.

There's no obvious markings on the pads so whilst the csl cup kit is meant to ship with these, they could be something else. They might not have been bedded in correctly, it might be that I've only done tracks so far which are hard on brakes, it could be that I'm far more aggressive with brakes etc. Is le man an open circuit like the 'ring? Cos thats not hard on brakes particularly.

The telling point for me though was the trip out in the E36 M3 with the same pads which did *exactly* the same thing.

The RS29 lists a constant working temp of 400-700 degrees.

I can't find what carbotech XP10 is, but the XP8 is 90 to 740 degrees and I had similar issues with XP8, so I stepped up to XP10. The XP10 lists fade resistance up to 900 degrees.

I'll find out this week, all I've changed is the pads :-)

_Nathan_ · 27-02-2011, 11:35 AM

Are they yellow?

shane@mbtech · 27-02-2011, 12:08 PM

Lee

I noticed the same as you on rs29s
I thought maybe it was just me as most on here don't have them issues
My alcons chewed the 29s like it was jelly too

Maybe we are a pair of twats on the brakes

I'm running xp10 on my x in the alcons, I'll report back next week from snet

Ps what lap times where you running at oulton?

Ps

titan · 27-02-2011, 12:09 PM

Can't tell now ;-)

but yes I believe they were yellow and I know that RS29s are yellow. So are RS19s though so not quite conclusive. I'm pretty sure I was told they were RS29. Makes no odds though, proof of the pudding will be this weekend.

shane@mbtech · 27-02-2011, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by titan

Can't tell now ;-)

but yes I believe they were yellow and I know that RS29s are yellow. So are RS19s though so not quite conclusive. I'm pretty sure I was told they were RS29. Makes no odds though, proof of the pudding will be this weekend.

Laptimes

**AlexGTT** · 27-02-2011, 12:47 PM

Strange issue you have. I'm running AP's, PF discs and RS29's (like very many CSL owners) so maybe not comparable to your Alcons but the noise/vibration you talk of does happen occassionally to my car. But it's usually just getting rid of pansy

road driving deposits on discs/pads. After a good warm up on track it's gone completely and all day is fine. In fact, the harder I use them the better they seem to get. Never had fade issues at all, even on the hardest braking tracks.

One thing I do tend to do is very gently/progressively bring them up to temps on my first laps. But I guess you do the same.

Be interested to see how you get on with xp's. Maybe it's just down to driving style, as you said. You bloody animal.

**shimmy** · 27-02-2011, 12:51 PM

My rs14 are lovely and I stamp on my brakes

**AlexGTT** · 27-02-2011, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawsy

Laptimes

Your a f*ckin' animal as well.

But we love you for it.

shane@mbtech · 27-02-2011, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexGTT

Your a f*ckin' animal as well.

But we love you for it.

Big hug for you at snet Alex

27-02-2011, 10:14 AM	#41
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	Glad you have moved forward so to speak. Not sure on the pads though, they are used at le mans etc and don't display the issues you seem to have? __________________ Nathan

27-02-2011, 11:35 AM	#43
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	Are they yellow? __________________ Nathan

27-02-2011, 12:47 PM	#47
AlexGTT CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 4,374 Casino cash: $8572	Strange issue you have. I'm running AP's, PF discs and RS29's (like very many CSL owners) so maybe not comparable to your Alcons but the noise/vibration you talk of does happen occassionally to my car. But it's usually just getting rid of pansy road driving deposits on discs/pads. After a good warm up on track it's gone completely and all day is fine. In fact, the harder I use them the better they seem to get. Never had fade issues at all, even on the hardest braking tracks. One thing I do tend to do is very gently/progressively bring them up to temps on my first laps. But I guess you do the same. Be interested to see how you get on with xp's. Maybe it's just down to driving style, as you said. You bloody animal. __________________ CSL Register Alcoholics Anonymous Group Leader & Businessman of the Year '93! www.earleyengineering.com

27-02-2011, 12:51 PM	#48
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	My rs14 are lovely and I stamp on my brakes __________________ .

27-02-2011, 11:24 AM	#42
titan S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 268 Casino cash: $1363	Who knows eh. There's no obvious markings on the pads so whilst the csl cup kit is meant to ship with these, they could be something else. They might not have been bedded in correctly, it might be that I've only done tracks so far which are hard on brakes, it could be that I'm far more aggressive with brakes etc. Is le man an open circuit like the 'ring? Cos thats not hard on brakes particularly. The telling point for me though was the trip out in the E36 M3 with the same pads which did exactly the same thing. The RS29 lists a constant working temp of 400-700 degrees. I can't find what carbotech XP10 is, but the XP8 is 90 to 740 degrees and I had similar issues with XP8, so I stepped up to XP10. The XP10 lists fade resistance up to 900 degrees. I'll find out this week, all I've changed is the pads :-)

27-02-2011, 12:08 PM	#44
shane@mbtech CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: warrington Posts: 5,419 Casino cash: $19783	Lee I noticed the same as you on rs29s I thought maybe it was just me as most on here don't have them issues My alcons chewed the 29s like it was jelly too Maybe we are a pair of twats on the brakes I'm running xp10 on my x in the alcons, I'll report back next week from snet Ps what lap times where you running at oulton? Ps

27-02-2011, 12:09 PM	#45
titan S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 268 Casino cash: $1363	Can't tell now ;-) but yes I believe they were yellow and I know that RS29s are yellow. So are RS19s though so not quite conclusive. I'm pretty sure I was told they were RS29. Makes no odds though, proof of the pudding will be this weekend.