Alcon brake kits

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by nigt3

I went for Alcons, reason being the ap discs are't the best

Myth

[northernjim]

Originally Posted by Rick H

its just I'm trying to understand why APs are favoured.

Shimmy has got them, and we all do as he says...... ( or else...)

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by northernjim

Shimmy has got them, and we all do as he says...... ( or else...)

I've also got a CSL Jim, what happened there

[nigt3]

Originally Posted by shimmy

Myth

Mr schirmer strikes again then!!

[northernjim]

Originally Posted by shimmy

I've also got a CSL Jim, what happened there

don't need a csl to keep up with you.... just the brakes to slow me down

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by northernjim

don't need a csl to keep up with you.... just the brakes to slow me down

I think you were faster in the Focus jimbob.

[SamT]

Originally Posted by nigt3

Mr schirmer strikes again then!!

did he say....."Dis is Sh*t" by any chance

[BMWZ4MC]

Originally Posted by SamT

Just to throw my 2 pennyworth into this....I started out with the Alcon CSL Cup brakes on the white M3, but have now converted to AP Pro 5000 with PFC discs and Endless Race pads (the Alcon set up went on my blue CS Yesterday with RS29's)

The reason i switched is that I love the Endless pads, but unfortunately there isn't enough clearance to fit them in the Alcon Callipers as they come with 25mm of meat on, and from memory the Alcons only accept a 17mm Pad....so you end up machining off 8mm of pad material to get them to fit.....being a Yorkshireman this hurt like you wouldn't believe .....Plus Schirmer said i could do one if i didnt convert

The new set up is simply stunning on track, a significant improvement over the alcons with RS29's.....but conversley I agree wholeheartedly with what Lawsy said about the Alcons being alot better for the road. The initial bite from the AP's is brutal....and i mean brutal (so much so that even though I've done a couple of days at the ring on them, i am still all over the place with braking points, yes shimmy, part of my excuse for Monday at Bedford )

So, my advice would be, that if you use your car on the road fit the Alcons (they are 200% better than standard) but if your building an out and out track/race car then go with the AP/PFC/Endless setup....but be prepared to peel your eyebrows off the windscreen

BMWZ4MC ..... I'm in Rye on the Kent/Sussex border, if you wanna pop over and see/ try out both set ups your more than welcome

Thanks for the offer Sam. I'm in Oz until the end of next month, but I might take you up on the offer when I get home.
I've had a look at the AP Pro 5000 kit and read a few reviews. It looks awesome...and so it should be at that price Unfortunately, I'll be dipping rather too deeply into my supercharger fund if I go down that route.
I will keep my Z4M road registered, but it'll see a lot of track time too. I was encouraged to see that you said in another post that with the Alcon set up you could out brake most things on the track - from your experience with your CSL and CS, do you think the Alcons with RS29s will give consistent pedal feel and no fade over 20-30 minute hard driving on the track? Also, am I right in thinking that the Alcon CSL Cup BBK that you had is the same as the Alcon Advantage Extreme but with a Thorney Motorsport paint job on the calipers? Lastly, did you find that the longer pedal travel a disadvantage with track use? I find heel and toe can be difficult in my Z4 as the throttle pedal is set too low, so longer brake pedal travel may be helpful for me.
Thanks again for the advice chaps and sorry for so many questions - the Z4 forum has fewer regular track drivers as the majority have roadsters with smaller engines...

[nigt3]

Originally Posted by SamT

did he say....."Dis is Sh*t" by any chance

Sam, how did you Quess that!!

[SamT]

Originally Posted by BMWZ4MC

Thanks for the offer Sam. I'm in Oz until the end of next month, but I might take you up on the offer when I get home.
I've had a look at the AP Pro 5000 kit and read a few reviews. It looks awesome...and so it should be at that price Unfortunately, I'll be dipping rather too deeply into my supercharger fund if I go down that route.
I will keep my Z4M road registered, but it'll see a lot of track time too. I was encouraged to see that you said in another post that with the Alcon set up you could out brake most things on the track - from your experience with your CSL and CS, do you think the Alcons with RS29s will give consistent pedal feel and no fade over 20-30 minute hard driving on the track? Also, am I right in thinking that the Alcon CSL Cup BBK that you had is the same as the Alcon Advantage Extreme but with a Thorney Motorsport paint job on the calipers? Lastly, did you find that the longer pedal travel a disadvantage with track use? I find heel and toe can be difficult in my Z4 as the throttle pedal is set too low, so longer brake pedal travel may be helpful for me.
Thanks again for the advice chaps and sorry for so many questions - the Z4 forum has fewer regular track drivers as the majority have roadsters with smaller engines...

First off......the Schirmernator is not, i repeat NOT a CSL....it's way better than that LOL....I wish!!!

The Alcons with RS29's will be outstanding for the use you envisage, i never suffered any brake fade that i can remember, and do like a good 40mins/60mins before coming in off track....the endless race stuff is designed to last a 24hr race, so maybe way over spec for what you require.

They look similar to me, but without seeing the spec sheets?? Lawsy or someone else in the know can maybe confirm that for you....if anything they will be better i would have thought?

HnT will be much easier, the travel means the pedals are bang in line and you don't have to twist your ankle as much.

With regards to SC....be very very careful!!...I don't know loads of people who've done it, but with the few i do, none has ended well!.....Persistent messing about sorting out overheating issues, eventually culminating in rapid disassembly, they seem to be fine in normal life, but when driven hard for prolonged periods on track, especially in summer!!.........For me you'd be much better taking that money and talking to Jon at JC Racing in Thirsk and getting a bomb proof BHP upgrade.....years of trouble free dicking about on track!!!.....i'm not sure of the packaging on a Z4M but you could also maybe get a CSL airbox to fit??.. she'll sound proper then too!