BMW 1m

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by Rutkowski

B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.

You can if you own an M3 CSL It manages both very well somehow

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Rutkowski- Quote-

''B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.''


Its as MattCSLnut has already stated.

The standard CSL suspension was
so very good for a near on 1500 kg car.

It can and does both very well.

Part of the ingredients that makes the car
what it is.

The M1 and V8 M3 just do not cut it
both ways out the box.

CSL does, standard brakes aside.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Rutkowski]

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,


Its as MattCSLnut has already stated.

The standard CSL suspension was
so very good for a near on 1500 kg car.

It can and does both very well.

Part of the ingredients that makes the car
what it is.

The M1 and V8 M3 just do not cut it
both ways out the box.

CSL does, standard brakes aside.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO... CSL is a compromised car as well.

One video i can't get my head round is this; (since we're talking CSLs)



The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

VS

The heaviest possible standard M3 with smg, sunroof, harman kardon 1570kg

on road tyres

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoMSwig27UQ

2 seconds difference only sounds like nothing to me in this case... but i realise that braking and consumables will be much improved with the CSL.

Also, i do realise that on 10 laps, the difference would be quite noticable...

[shimmy]

2 seconds is a lifetime Kris, 2/10s would have been close.

Otherwise I agree with you

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

RutKowski- Quote-

''I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO.


That's why we all have differing opinions.

I very much like the std CSL set up for normal
road use.

I prefer a 'planted' car at the expense of
few a rattles and tracks jumped on the
CD.

Anything softer gets very washy on 'B' Roads
for me.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by Rutkowski

I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO... CSL is a compromised car as well.

One video i can't get my head round is this; (since we're talking CSLs)
The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

... it's what the L in CSL is all about mate + Mich. CUPs are part of the CSL magic

Originally Posted by Rutkowski

VS

The heaviest possible standard M3 with smg, sunroof, harman kardon 1570kg

on road tyres

2 seconds difference only sounds like nothing to me in this case... but i realise that braking and consumables will be much improved with the CSL.

Also, i do realise that on 10 laps, the difference would be quite noticable...

With all due respect Kris... 2 seconds per lap on Anglesey's National 1.2 miles short circuit is a lifetime mate difference between winning and loosing After 30 laps (if not sooner) the regular M3 is going to get lapped by the CSL
Further more ( feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) the Ring is effectively a German equivalent of a UK 'B' road, albeit one way and slightly smoother surface and the OEM CSL suspension works rather well around the Green Hell ... even one that's been well & truly used

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,

RutKowski- Quote-

''I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO.


That's why we all have differing opinions.

I very much like the std CSL set up for normal
road use.

I prefer a 'planted' car at the expense of
few a rattles and tracks jumped on the
CD.

Anything softer gets very washy on 'B' Roads
for me.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Sorry Kris ... but I'm in agreement with the Primate

[shane@mbtech]

How much of the 2 secs was down to cups?

[glendog74]

Who cares - i like the CSL - fastest car in the world or not...

[alexk]

I don't know why Rutkowski is trying to convince everybody here that the CSL is not good.
It's almost like going to Mekkah to read the bible to the public.

I am like glendog, I adore the CSL