EVO Top 100 drivers cars - Page 2

SpineOnABap · 15-08-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ade

EVO robbed the CSL in this feature

Not for the first time.. but hey, who cares what some pointless has-been magazine thinks

**Andyk** · 15-08-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Trawler

Hi Andy, I've been busy helping people with various things. I'll give you a ring soon. Hope everyone & the car are fine.

Yep all good mate.

Nords · 16-08-2009, 09:09 PM

1. Zonda F
2. Lotus 340R
3. 996 GT3 (in yellow)
4. Caterham R300
5. R26R !!!
6. Lotus Elan
7. Clio Trophy !!!
8. Ferrari F50
9. MX-5
10. Makinen Evo

11. 997 GT3RS in frog
12. Fessa F40
13. Subaru RB5 !!!

20. Fessa 550 !!!

25. Clio V6
26. e30 M3
27. e46 CSL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
28. 911 2.7RS !!!

36. Exige !

40. Ariel Atom !

45. CLK63 Black

49. CGT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

53. Lotus 2-11 (how can that be when the 340R makes 2nd????)

62. e92 M3

64. Audi RS4 !
65. 993 GT2 !!!

71. Macca F1 !!!!!!

73. 959

81. Veyron

84. Lancia Integrale
85. Audi Quattro

93. 355 F1

Gawd...

**Andyk** · 16-08-2009, 09:22 PM

Yep...I couldn't understand the 2-11..340r thing. The 340r had luke warm reception when it came out and the 2-11 met with much praise as a drivers car....

Jeff · 17-08-2009, 09:08 PM

I'm not convinced too much thought really went into the 100-90 group, just here are 90 good cars. Only the last 10 got a real fighting chance to place themselves. There are many cars in that 90 that are totally misplaced in most of our opinions.

englebert · 18-08-2009, 01:15 AM

I don't understand what people are moaning about really, but i bet the same thread is onevery car owner's forum on the interweb

**Andyk** · 18-08-2009, 07:35 AM

You are dead right....I've seen this on Lotus/TVR/Piston..all saying the same thing......I will say when you look at the reviews that EVO have done on these cars some of the rankings do not make sense...The CSL is a respectable ranking to be honest....But then I haven't driven all the cars in the list so I really ca not comment on 80% of them...

jibm · 19-08-2009, 04:18 PM

i think they make it all up just to get people talking about the mag on the web, i mean F355 at 93 come on.....shit they got me at it...cnuts

**XPorker** · 20-08-2009, 12:44 AM

Well Ade is the person best equipped to comment on the track comparison, of that I have no doubt.

On the road however the CSL is soooo much more useable soooo much more of the time.
EVO's original test of the CSL (when it was still a pre-production prototype and driven by Dickie Meaden) was glowing.

Yet once the CSL went head to head with the MK2 996 GT3 it seemed to come off with a bloodied nose.

Had it been compared with the Mk 1 GT3 it might have been viewed differently.

As it was the MK2 GT3s had vastly improved brakes (350mm and six pots on the front) which drew massive praise, the slightly improved engine was praised for it's top end grunt (and its ability to rev so willingly to the redline) over the Mk1. The handling was praised yet the car was marked down for having less steering feel than that of the MK1 version (especially the initial turn in which was criticised for being vague)

Meanwhile the CSL was IIRC ? described by Phil Bennett in Evo as a "tricked up M3 with some sticky tyres and thus a bit one dimensional"

From my perspective the CSL front end takes a bit to "trust", it rolls on initial turn in, the steering lacks weight and feel (don't confuse them) ! but once you've learnt to trust the front end grip, it becomes a joyous car to drive quickly.

With a car like the Mk1 GT3, you have a simply huge amount of weight, feel and information flowing through the steering wheel (especially on a properly set up car) If you have the confidence you can lean on the GT3s front end very quickly indeed.

The Mk1 GT3 engine and the CSL engine are sooo closely matched that it's almost impossible to call a winner (though clearly the CSLs induction noise is far superior)

The CSL supension is one of the finest compromises for road use that exists. Long travel, compliant and not too harsh over our poorly surfaced roads.

Try an E90/92 on 19" runflats and you'll see just what a fantastic job the guys at Motorsport have done with the CSL (it's no small wonder they're not keen on having runflats on their M Power cars)

For road use the CSL may be a bit less rewarding to extract its performance from, but there's no doubting its speed or usability on roads that would have a GT3s suspension tied up in knots . . . .

It shoukd be waaaay higher up Evos top 100 cars imo

**Andyk** · 20-08-2009, 07:20 AM

Nice reply XPorker..

16-08-2009, 09:22 PM	#14
Andyk Driving it like I nicked it Space Invaders Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chepstow Posts: 2,506 Casino cash: $3997	Yep...I couldn't understand the 2-11..340r thing. The 340r had luke warm reception when it came out and the 2-11 met with much praise as a drivers car.... __________________

18-08-2009, 01:15 AM	#16
englebert S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kent Posts: 397 Casino cash: $705	I don't understand what people are moaning about really, but i bet the same thread is onevery car owner's forum on the interweb __________________ '03 SG CSL - SOLD Making do with a CSL replica, 1M and E90 M3.

18-08-2009, 07:35 AM	#17
Andyk Driving it like I nicked it Space Invaders Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chepstow Posts: 2,506 Casino cash: $3997	You are dead right....I've seen this on Lotus/TVR/Piston..all saying the same thing......I will say when you look at the reviews that EVO have done on these cars some of the rankings do not make sense...The CSL is a respectable ranking to be honest....But then I haven't driven all the cars in the list so I really ca not comment on 80% of them... __________________

20-08-2009, 07:20 AM	#20
Andyk Driving it like I nicked it Space Invaders Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chepstow Posts: 2,506 Casino cash: $3997	Nice reply XPorker.. __________________

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16-08-2009, 09:09 PM	#13
Nords S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 527 Casino cash: $1272	1. Zonda F 2. Lotus 340R 3. 996 GT3 (in yellow) 4. Caterham R300 5. R26R !!! 6. Lotus Elan 7. Clio Trophy !!! 8. Ferrari F50 9. MX-5 10. Makinen Evo 11. 997 GT3RS in frog 12. Fessa F40 13. Subaru RB5 !!! 20. Fessa 550 !!! 25. Clio V6 26. e30 M3 27. e46 CSL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 28. 911 2.7RS !!! 36. Exige ! 40. Ariel Atom ! 45. CLK63 Black 49. CGT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 53. Lotus 2-11 (how can that be when the 340R makes 2nd????) 62. e92 M3 64. Audi RS4 ! 65. 993 GT2 !!! 71. Macca F1 !!!!!! 73. 959 81. Veyron 84. Lancia Integrale 85. Audi Quattro 93. 355 F1 Gawd...

17-08-2009, 09:08 PM	#15
Jeff S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southfields, London Posts: 121 Casino cash: $675	I'm not convinced too much thought really went into the 100-90 group, just here are 90 good cars. Only the last 10 got a real fighting chance to place themselves. There are many cars in that 90 that are totally misplaced in most of our opinions.

19-08-2009, 04:18 PM	#18
jibm S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Asteroids Champion! Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 591 Casino cash: $14218	i think they make it all up just to get people talking about the mag on the web, i mean F355 at 93 come on.....shit they got me at it...cnuts

20-08-2009, 12:44 AM	#19
XPorker S3 - On the open road Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Midlands Posts: 84 Casino cash: $497	Well Ade is the person best equipped to comment on the track comparison, of that I have no doubt. On the road however the CSL is soooo much more useable soooo much more of the time. EVO's original test of the CSL (when it was still a pre-production prototype and driven by Dickie Meaden) was glowing. Yet once the CSL went head to head with the MK2 996 GT3 it seemed to come off with a bloodied nose. Had it been compared with the Mk 1 GT3 it might have been viewed differently. As it was the MK2 GT3s had vastly improved brakes (350mm and six pots on the front) which drew massive praise, the slightly improved engine was praised for it's top end grunt (and its ability to rev so willingly to the redline) over the Mk1. The handling was praised yet the car was marked down for having less steering feel than that of the MK1 version (especially the initial turn in which was criticised for being vague) Meanwhile the CSL was IIRC ? described by Phil Bennett in Evo as a "tricked up M3 with some sticky tyres and thus a bit one dimensional" From my perspective the CSL front end takes a bit to "trust", it rolls on initial turn in, the steering lacks weight and feel (don't confuse them) ! but once you've learnt to trust the front end grip, it becomes a joyous car to drive quickly. With a car like the Mk1 GT3, you have a simply huge amount of weight, feel and information flowing through the steering wheel (especially on a properly set up car) If you have the confidence you can lean on the GT3s front end very quickly indeed. The Mk1 GT3 engine and the CSL engine are sooo closely matched that it's almost impossible to call a winner (though clearly the CSLs induction noise is far superior) The CSL supension is one of the finest compromises for road use that exists. Long travel, compliant and not too harsh over our poorly surfaced roads. Try an E90/92 on 19" runflats and you'll see just what a fantastic job the guys at Motorsport have done with the CSL (it's no small wonder they're not keen on having runflats on their M Power cars) For road use the CSL may be a bit less rewarding to extract its performance from, but there's no doubting its speed or usability on roads that would have a GT3s suspension tied up in knots . . . . It shoukd be waaaay higher up Evos top 100 cars imo