DSC Pressure Sensor Failure

The JC · 05-07-2013, 05:45 PM

Based on the posts in the thread below and from other threads, I am pretty sure that my DSC Pressure Sensor is in need of replacing. It is showing the symptoms of DSC and the brake sensor remaining on.

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4609

Any suggestions on a good site to order the sensor from? Also, are there any in depth DIY threads for the replacement of this part?

Thank you in advance,

John

Monkey · 05-07-2013, 07:35 PM

Hi, you need to get the faults read to see what is stored. However, it is normally the DSC pressure sensors which cause a problem. There are 2, located on the brake master cylinder. If you look where your brake fluid reservoir is, below that you will see two sensors with plugs on.

I will say lots have had success just disconnecting and reconnecting these sensors. Be warned, they are a little fiddly!

If the problem persists you will need to see which sensor is faulty by getting the codes read.

Any problems, post back on here.

**cantfind1** · 06-07-2013, 08:02 AM

Just replace both...they will go eventually anyway...

**maxmeerkat** · 06-07-2013, 12:24 PM

My lights came up the other week and diagnostics read dsc sensor 1 electrical fault. However , i removed main dsc harness ,cleaned it and the light hasn`t returned since.
I have bought a spare sensor (for £98 just in case. I too searched for a DIY and found this detailed one :

OK, so your BMW E46 has the DSC and Handbrake light on, You have got the car scanned and it shows 5E24 or 5E21 “Pressure sensors”. This is from a job we had today. Using the GD860 we scanned the car and had these codes appear , the DSC and handbrake light were on, but no ABS light. On scannning we found the following code 5E24 Pressure sensors, Next step was to view live data. under the live data options we checked the pressure sensor no1 circuit and pressure sensor no2 circuit and also the brake fluid monitor. First results were as expected apart from the brake fluid which showed, “NOT OK”. Circuit No1 was around 1 bar which was fine as was No2 circuit which was running similar data to No1 circuit.
Next step:
Change brake fluid..
After running about 2 lts of Dot 4 through the system we tested the system again with the GD860. Results were much the same with the only noticeable difference being the brake fluid data changed from “NOT OK to “OK once the brake pedal was applied. Sensors were reading around 1 bar +- 0.6 bar. Then we cleared the stored codes.
Next step: Test drive approx 1 mile
Once returned from the test drive I rescanned the ABS and there were no codes stored, but had a look at the live data from the pressure sensors, Circuit No1 was same as before, hovering around 1 bar but Circuit No2 was high showing a reading of approx 20 bar +- 0.5 which without any pressure on the brake pedal was too high, and sure enough the DSC and handbrake light appeared while I was monitoring the pressure sensors. Not knowing which system was which I was able to squeeze my hand down into the space where the pressure sensors are mounted on the brake master cylinder and disconnect the front plug, which as it turns out was the Circuit No 2 sensor, the faulty one.
First I checked and cleaned the plug with contact cleaner but on monitoring the data on the GD860 it did not show any noticable difference,
Next step:
Replace the pressure sensor, Circuit No2 is the one most forward on the brake master cylinder.
Replacement procedure:

First off press the footbrake until it goes hard and all vacuum has gone for the servo. (Engine off and no ignition on)
Remove the vacuum pipe from the Brake servo cylinder. it obstructs the access to the brake pipe flare nut above the No2 circuit pressure sensor
Fill the brake master cylinder to capacity with DOT 4 fluid ( we recommend a full brake fluid change before replacing the pressure sensors)
Remove the Brake pipe above the Pressure sensor where it exits the brake master cylinder, 11 mm flare wrench required
Disconnect the faulty pressure sensor from the electricial plug, (depending on position you may be able to access this before removing the brake pipe.
Using a 27mm open end spanner slacken the pressure sensor
The next part need to be done quick so as to not let the master cylinder run dry as bleeding the master cylinder can be a pain
Have the new sensor ready to screw in, once the faulty is removed quickly replace with the new sensor.
Tighten the sensor and replace the brake pipe flare nut, refit the vacuum pipe to the servo unit, top up the brake fluid and if the system needs to be bled, usually all is required is to slacken the union from the master cylinder to the ABS housing and a pump or two is usually enough.
Check all disturbed pipework is secure and not leaking, all electricial connections are replaced, and fluid levels are correct.
Now when you go to live data the readings should stay pretty much similar and the lights on the dash will remain off..

The JC · 09-07-2013, 09:47 AM

Thanks for the great advice. I tightened the sensor on friday night after returning home from dinner as the issue was still bothering me. Started the car up in the garage and no sensor issue. Drove it all weekend without any issue.

I plan to go ahead and replace the sensor when I get the car in for a little TLC later on this month. I am a big proponent of preventive maintenance.

05-07-2013, 05:45 PM	#1
The JC S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 30 Casino cash: $723	DSC Pressure Sensor Failure Based on the posts in the thread below and from other threads, I am pretty sure that my DSC Pressure Sensor is in need of replacing. It is showing the symptoms of DSC and the brake sensor remaining on. http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4609 Any suggestions on a good site to order the sensor from? Also, are there any in depth DIY threads for the replacement of this part? Thank you in advance, John

06-07-2013, 12:24 PM	#4
maxmeerkat S3 - On the open road Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 88 Casino cash: $1747	My lights came up the other week and diagnostics read dsc sensor 1 electrical fault. However , i removed main dsc harness ,cleaned it and the light hasn`t returned since. I have bought a spare sensor (for £98 just in case. I too searched for a DIY and found this detailed one : OK, so your BMW E46 has the DSC and Handbrake light on, You have got the car scanned and it shows 5E24 or 5E21 “Pressure sensors”. This is from a job we had today. Using the GD860 we scanned the car and had these codes appear , the DSC and handbrake light were on, but no ABS light. On scannning we found the following code 5E24 Pressure sensors, Next step was to view live data. under the live data options we checked the pressure sensor no1 circuit and pressure sensor no2 circuit and also the brake fluid monitor. First results were as expected apart from the brake fluid which showed, “NOT OK”. Circuit No1 was around 1 bar which was fine as was No2 circuit which was running similar data to No1 circuit. Next step: Change brake fluid.. After running about 2 lts of Dot 4 through the system we tested the system again with the GD860. Results were much the same with the only noticeable difference being the brake fluid data changed from “NOT OK to “OK once the brake pedal was applied. Sensors were reading around 1 bar +- 0.6 bar. Then we cleared the stored codes. Next step: Test drive approx 1 mile Once returned from the test drive I rescanned the ABS and there were no codes stored, but had a look at the live data from the pressure sensors, Circuit No1 was same as before, hovering around 1 bar but Circuit No2 was high showing a reading of approx 20 bar +- 0.5 which without any pressure on the brake pedal was too high, and sure enough the DSC and handbrake light appeared while I was monitoring the pressure sensors. Not knowing which system was which I was able to squeeze my hand down into the space where the pressure sensors are mounted on the brake master cylinder and disconnect the front plug, which as it turns out was the Circuit No 2 sensor, the faulty one. First I checked and cleaned the plug with contact cleaner but on monitoring the data on the GD860 it did not show any noticable difference, Next step: Replace the pressure sensor, Circuit No2 is the one most forward on the brake master cylinder. Replacement procedure: First off press the footbrake until it goes hard and all vacuum has gone for the servo. (Engine off and no ignition on) Remove the vacuum pipe from the Brake servo cylinder. it obstructs the access to the brake pipe flare nut above the No2 circuit pressure sensor Fill the brake master cylinder to capacity with DOT 4 fluid ( we recommend a full brake fluid change before replacing the pressure sensors) Remove the Brake pipe above the Pressure sensor where it exits the brake master cylinder, 11 mm flare wrench required Disconnect the faulty pressure sensor from the electricial plug, (depending on position you may be able to access this before removing the brake pipe. Using a 27mm open end spanner slacken the pressure sensor The next part need to be done quick so as to not let the master cylinder run dry as bleeding the master cylinder can be a pain Have the new sensor ready to screw in, once the faulty is removed quickly replace with the new sensor. Tighten the sensor and replace the brake pipe flare nut, refit the vacuum pipe to the servo unit, top up the brake fluid and if the system needs to be bled, usually all is required is to slacken the union from the master cylinder to the ABS housing and a pump or two is usually enough. Check all disturbed pipework is secure and not leaking, all electricial connections are replaced, and fluid levels are correct. Now when you go to live data the readings should stay pretty much similar and the lights on the dash will remain off.. __________________ You can run but you can`t hide.......

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05-07-2013, 07:35 PM	#2
Monkey S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: May 2013 Location: Haywards Heath Posts: 266 Casino cash: $7387	Hi, you need to get the faults read to see what is stored. However, it is normally the DSC pressure sensors which cause a problem. There are 2, located on the brake master cylinder. If you look where your brake fluid reservoir is, below that you will see two sensors with plugs on. I will say lots have had success just disconnecting and reconnecting these sensors. Be warned, they are a little fiddly! If the problem persists you will need to see which sensor is faulty by getting the codes read. Any problems, post back on here.

06-07-2013, 08:02 AM	#3
cantfind1 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 675 Casino cash: $6490	Just replace both...they will go eventually anyway...

09-07-2013, 09:47 AM	#5
The JC S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 30 Casino cash: $723	Thanks for the great advice. I tightened the sensor on friday night after returning home from dinner as the issue was still bothering me. Started the car up in the garage and no sensor issue. Drove it all weekend without any issue. I plan to go ahead and replace the sensor when I get the car in for a little TLC later on this month. I am a big proponent of preventive maintenance.