Supercharged = SLOW

[ChrisCSL]

watch from 2:20 for comparison on the straight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlpbP...eature=related

[shane@mbtech]

Originally Posted by ChrisCSL

watch from 2:20 for comparison on the straight:

What power is that, judging from the vid, I would say 390-400.

My standard e92 m3 pulled away from CSL, much quicker than that.

Im not convinced, its not worth the headaches IMO. Been there done that with jap shit.

The loaded CSL is quick yes, but how much is down to SC, and how much is down to chassis, brake, suspension, wheel, tyre upgrades.

[shimmy]

Sorry, but as far as I can see the n/a camera car is quicker than the s/c silver m3.

Granted the s/c pulls 2-3 car lengths but a decent GT3 can do that on a CSL on as slow exit corner and is no more than +2-3/10s a lap. Otherwise the camera car is all over him.

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by lawsy

The loaded CSL is quick yes, but how much is down to SC, and how much is down to chassis, brake, suspension, wheel, tyre upgrades.

Easy worked out Lawsy, just take a well driven E46M3 VLN car and compare with Loaded CSL and the difference will be the supercharger.

[magnust]

Loaded is not stripped out so it's probably heavier than a well stripped out lightened VLN racecar.

[magnust]

Originally Posted by ChrisCSL

watch from 2:20 for comparison on the straight:

>VIDEO<

Very odd choices of driving lines in some places.... Out on the straight for one.

[alexk]

Originally Posted by shimmy

Easy worked out Lawsy, just take a well driven E46M3 VLN car and compare with Loaded CSL and the difference will be the supercharger.

The Loaded car is fully TUV certified and has front/rear seats, normal windows, a stereo etc.
I am not saying the suspension + brake upgrades are not making a difference, but these are not the only ones responsible for the 7.22m FULL lap in damp conditions.

[magnust]

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,

The main problem with S54 S/C is the
heat they generate.

I do not think I have seen a S/C S54 do
more than 3-4 continious laps at full chat without
having to slow down or stop to cool.

Even those with the larger front inter coolers
and water injection still suffer from
massive heat issues.
Whole engine block acts as a massive thermal
store so the only way to dissipate the heat
is to slow or stop, reason being is that the
Intercooler absorbs most the natural air cooling
that a N/A car obtains when all the temps start
maxing out.

Then with the increased heat, comes even more unreliability.


Vanos + SMG + S/Charged + 3 hard laps of the Spa =

''Ticking bomb''.


But-


Vanos + SMG + S/Charged + 3 hard laps of the Ring =

'' 2 spare laps''

Regards,

The Gorilla.

I remember Loaded had heat issues in it's earliest years (change of headers was one thing I remember that solved issues). But AFAIK all heat issues were solved. The times I've driven it - which has been on Swedish tracks with far from optimal conditions for keeping everything cool - I haven't noticed any heat issues or gradual loss of power at all.

[alexk]

Originally Posted by magnust

I remember Loaded had heat issues in it's earliest years (change of headers was one thing I remember that solved issues). But AFAIK all heat issues were solved. The times I've driven it - which has been on Swedish tracks with far from optimal conditions for keeping everything cool - I haven't noticed any heat issues or gradual loss of power at all.

[toplad]

Originally Posted by lawsy

What power is that, judging from the vid, I would say 390-400.

.

Agreed

You need a lot more power to pull away once rolling at speed.

30-60 extra BHP doesn't make much difference.

You need an extra 100 BHP to notice a difference at speed.