Brake Issues

Nikey30 · 15-07-2012, 12:00 AM

Hi All

I am seeking some advice on a current issue I have with my front AP BBK. I have recently swapped from AP discs to Performance Friction due to a vibration/pulsing on the AP discs which led me to believe I had warped them - even though I have never tracked my car. Anyway I have had the PF Discs on for approx 1500 miles (road miles only) and in the last few weeks the pulsing/vibration has returned and when driving yesterday the vibration was that bad that when braking lightly at lowish speeds I could here a slight knocking, obviously something isnt right.

So I pulled one of the front wheels off last night and have taken some pics of one of the discs and I also removed the one of the pads to see what could be causing this problem. I am running Pagid RS14 pads and these are the same set that I ran on the previous AP discs.

Should I have put new pads on when I put the new discs on the car?

From my investigation via the internet I think I may have pad deposits on the discs and the pads are potentially glazed. Can anyone take a look the pics and confirm if I am correct? I am no expert but would think the discs should have a cleaner/shinier look?

If this is the case then obviously a new set of pads are needed, I know that an agressive pad can clean discs up and remove deposits, so I assume the Pagid RS29 would be a potential option? Or do I need to get the discs removed and cleaned up at an engineering shop prior to the install and bed in of the new pads?

I would really like to get this resolved as I feel I am going round in circles with the brakes on my car.

Any guidance appreciated as I dont want to use the car at present due to the vibration as concerned its going to cause other issues within the steering/bearings etc.

Thanks
Nick

**alexk** · 15-07-2012, 12:31 AM

Nick,

Start with installing the discs properly.
What you are showing in the photo is the front left arm.
This disc should be installed on the right side...

shane@mbtech · 15-07-2012, 01:27 AM

Looks like pad deposits to me.

Get some abrasive pads in to clean them up.

**shimmy** · 15-07-2012, 09:42 AM

I had troubles with my AP back in 2007-2008 a number of times, always thinks it was warped and ended up being pad deposits.

I think you have used old pads that are thicker in the middle and this has deposited pad material of the centre of the disc.

Not sure how to fix but I would be tempted to buy new pads, and either skim of sand down the discs to remove deposits and bed them in again (and then swap the discs around

)

Prob best to do it before the discs are goosed

**CraigMillwardCroft** · 15-07-2012, 11:38 AM

Has anyone got running in details for Pagid RS29 going to try and put them in today.

The Gorilla · 15-07-2012, 11:59 AM

Hi,

You should always bed new Discs and
Pads in.

Its boring and takes a little time.

I always take New Discs through the heat
cycle as well to make sure they get nice
and blue.

With regard to the discs in the picture
as Lawsy said they need cleaning with
an Abrasive Pad.
Carbon Tech or Carbo Laronie's will soon
rip it off, but are not cheap.

Or have a light 'skim' to clean them up.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

83SY · 15-07-2012, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigMillwardCroft

Has anyone got running in details for Pagid RS29 going to try and put them in today.

I drove to Spa, bit excessive but bedded in nicely!

northernjim · 15-07-2012, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigMillwardCroft

Has anyone got running in details for Pagid RS29 going to try and put them in today.

Guidance On Bedding In Procedure

Geometric Alignment Of Pad Surface To Disc Surface (basic bedding in)

4-6 brake applications with medium pedal pressure from approx 90mph to 50mph, not allowing wheels to lock. (No brake dragging)

Allow for a distance of 300 - 400metres between brake applications for cooling period.

Pads should not reach temperatures above 400°C during initial bedding in. Check that pad
surfaces have at least 80% contact with disc before allowing more heat into pad surface.

Immediately followed by :

Bedding In At High Speed

1 brake application with medium to high pedal pressure from approx 110mph to 50mph
without allowing wheels to lock.

Allow 3-4 recovery brake applications with light pedal pressure.

Repeat high speed applications including recovery applications another 2-3 times.

Allow a cooling off distance of 500 metres between high speed applications.

*

I've found pagids a little tricky to bed in, for me it works to just use the car normally/gently for a few miles, and then follow the bedding in procedure.

15-07-2012, 12:00 AM	#1
Nikey30 S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Isle of Man Posts: 73 Casino cash: $10979	Brake Issues Hi All I am seeking some advice on a current issue I have with my front AP BBK. I have recently swapped from AP discs to Performance Friction due to a vibration/pulsing on the AP discs which led me to believe I had warped them - even though I have never tracked my car. Anyway I have had the PF Discs on for approx 1500 miles (road miles only) and in the last few weeks the pulsing/vibration has returned and when driving yesterday the vibration was that bad that when braking lightly at lowish speeds I could here a slight knocking, obviously something isnt right. So I pulled one of the front wheels off last night and have taken some pics of one of the discs and I also removed the one of the pads to see what could be causing this problem. I am running Pagid RS14 pads and these are the same set that I ran on the previous AP discs. Should I have put new pads on when I put the new discs on the car? From my investigation via the internet I think I may have pad deposits on the discs and the pads are potentially glazed. Can anyone take a look the pics and confirm if I am correct? I am no expert but would think the discs should have a cleaner/shinier look? If this is the case then obviously a new set of pads are needed, I know that an agressive pad can clean discs up and remove deposits, so I assume the Pagid RS29 would be a potential option? Or do I need to get the discs removed and cleaned up at an engineering shop prior to the install and bed in of the new pads? I would really like to get this resolved as I feel I am going round in circles with the brakes on my car. Any guidance appreciated as I dont want to use the car at present due to the vibration as concerned its going to cause other issues within the steering/bearings etc. Thanks Nick

15-07-2012, 12:31 AM	#2
alexk Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,784 Casino cash: $29969	Nick, Start with installing the discs properly. What you are showing in the photo is the front left arm. This disc should be installed on the right side... __________________ www.clubcsl.com - I am a BMW Motorsport fan ! My youtube channel is here

15-07-2012, 09:42 AM	#4
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	I had troubles with my AP back in 2007-2008 a number of times, always thinks it was warped and ended up being pad deposits. I think you have used old pads that are thicker in the middle and this has deposited pad material of the centre of the disc. Not sure how to fix but I would be tempted to buy new pads, and either skim of sand down the discs to remove deposits and bed them in again (and then swap the discs around ) Prob best to do it before the discs are goosed __________________ .

15-07-2012, 01:27 AM	#3
shane@mbtech CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: warrington Posts: 5,419 Casino cash: $19783	Looks like pad deposits to me. Get some abrasive pads in to clean them up.

15-07-2012, 11:38 AM	#5
CraigMillwardCroft CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Marlow Posts: 3,973 Casino cash: $18153	Has anyone got running in details for Pagid RS29 going to try and put them in today.

15-07-2012, 11:59 AM	#6
The Gorilla S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 740 Casino cash: $14401	Hi, You should always bed new Discs and Pads in. Its boring and takes a little time. I always take New Discs through the heat cycle as well to make sure they get nice and blue. With regard to the discs in the picture as Lawsy said they need cleaning with an Abrasive Pad. Carbon Tech or Carbo Laronie's will soon rip it off, but are not cheap. Or have a light 'skim' to clean them up. Regards, The Gorilla.