Are theses Rims genuine

[JBird]

Dear wheel experts.

These are being sold as "original CSL" rims. They are black on the outside, is that normal? Seller is claiming they are 100% original (not refurbed).

The black paint is making me think the seller doesn't know the history of them, even if they are BBS, but when I think about it, I don't think I have ever seen a set of new CSL rims without tyres on them. Thoughts?

Cheers.

[outnumbered]

Do they have BMW stamped around the centres ? That's usually a good sign. If not, they're definitely replicas. The black also looks suspicious to me.

[rstoughy]

Reps going by the pics

[Neil M]

Reps, beneath the 'M' badge it should be embossed 'BMW'
They may be genuine BBS, but not BMW CSL's, reverse face should also be painted Grey if not refurbished.

[JBird]

Originally Posted by outnumbered

Do they have BMW stamped around the centres ? That's usually a good sign. If not, they're definitely replicas. The black also looks suspicious to me.

I have asked for better pics, but don't have them yet. From the ones I posted, it looks like there is no "BMW" embossed under the M badge. Now that you mention it, my genuine set (and every other genuine set I have seen) always have BMW below the M badge. I won't bid on them - cheers for the help.

They are on fleabay here:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281425571141&ssPageNam e=ADME:X:RTQ:DE:1123

Either BBS have stopped putting BMW on them and someone is gonna pick up a bargain, or they are fake some sucker is prepared to pay 2-3x what copies are worth.

Cheers, will look elsewhere.

[Paul46rider]

No BMW stamps. 100% reps

[JBird]

OK, there are several posts half covering this, but it I thought it may be useful to get a sticky together covering how to identify genuine CSL rims. Could the gurus please correct me if I am wrong on any of this, then perhaps a mod make a sticky of it?

How to identify genuine BMW CSL Rims.

Firstly, they are made of aluminium, not MAGNESIUM.

Fronts
- They have part nr 2282650, are 8.5" x 19 x ET44 in size.
- Not to be confused with CS rims which have Part Nr 2282895 and are 8.0" x 19 x ET47 in size.
- The text "BMW - 2 282 650 - 81/2Jx19 - EH2 IS44 - RC 337" is embossed around the outer face as shown below, with the BMW below the M badge



- On the reverse side, there are 8 triangular indentations with casting markings BBS and GERMANY in the first two. The marking in the rest will probably vary depending on the production batch, but some pictures below show what they could look like.





- The mating face to the hub looks like this.



Rears
- They have part number 2282999, are 9.5" x 19 x ET27 in size.
- CS (ZCP package) uses same rear wheel as CSL.
- The text "BMW - 2 282 999- 91/2Jx19 - EH2 IS27 - RC 341" is embossed on the outer face as shown below.


- As per the fronts, the inner features 8 triangular indentations with casting markings BBS and GERMANY, and probably batch specific info in the other six.


- The inside of genuine, brand spanking new non-refurbished rims is finished in a white/light grey primer colour, not hyper silver like the outer face of the rim. This can be seen in the previous pic.

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Now this is where I am not sure. There are rear rims floating about with the part numbers 2282660 and 4508216 as shown in the pictures below.





Were these supplied by BMW at some stage then superseded by 2282999? I'd say they just good fakes. As can be seen, the 660s don't have the BMW embossing, but the 4508216s do. I often see these for sale as genuine rims. Most people are pretty honest about copies, but theses are consistently advertised as genuine. Are they?

[NBTBRV8]

Originally Posted by JBird

OK, there are several posts half covering this, but it I thought it may be useful to get a sticky together covering how to identify genuine CSL rims. Could the gurus please correct me if I am wrong on any of this, then perhaps a mod make a sticky of it?

How to identify genuine BMW CSL Rims.

Firstly, they are made of aluminium, not MAGNESIUM.

Fronts
- They have part nr 2282650, are 8.5" x 19 x ET44 in size.
- Not to be confused with CS rims which have Part Nr 2282895 and are 8.0" x 19 x ET47 in size.
- The text "BMW - 2 282 650 - 81/2Jx19 - EH2 IS44 - RC 337" is embossed around the outer face as shown below, with the BMW below the M badge



- On the reverse side, there are 8 triangular indentations with casting markings BBS and GERMANY in the first two. The marking in the rest will probably vary depending on the production batch, but some pictures below show what they could look like.





- The mating face to the hub looks like this.



Rears
- They have part number 2282999, are 9.5" x 19 x ET27 in size.
- CS (ZCP package) uses same rear wheel as CSL.
- The text "BMW - 2 282 999- 91/2Jx19 - EH2 IS27 - RC 341" is embossed on the outer face as shown below.


- As per the fronts, the inner features 8 triangular indentations with casting markings BBS and GERMANY, and probably batch specific info in the other six.


- The inside of genuine, brand spanking new non-refurbished rims is finished in a white/light grey primer colour, not hyper silver like the outer face of the rim. This can be seen in the previous pic.

******

Now this is where I am not sure. There are rear rims floating about with the part numbers 2282660 and 4508216 as shown in the pictures below.





Were these supplied by BMW at some stage then superseded by 2282999? I'd say they just good fakes. As can be seen, the 660s don't have the BMW embossing, but the 4508216s do. I often see these for sale as genuine rims. Most people are pretty honest about copies, but theses are consistently advertised as genuine. Are they?

Great post. Hopefully it will be made sticky.