Techo wizzers please help

Funkster · 06-02-2014, 06:28 PM

Hi Guys, Not been around for a while but cecil still tucked up in the warm and waiting for this years adventures.

I'm really after some help with my E36 S54 racer and was hoping that someone out there has the knowledge.

I need to De vanos the car prior to going down the standalone ecu route that I've chosen but the issue is with timing the cams.......I can source the vanos elimination kit in the uk but the cam timing is my worry.

I've been searching and searching about timing the cams for optimal without the vanos but I am so struggling on finding any information........about 20 hrs on google and im truly done.

I know I'll have to degree disc the crank etc and then probably get the dial gauge out but I'm in need of any info from anyone who may of done it before. I spotted a post from Mr gorilla on another forum from a while ago and I'm wondering if you ever found out the info.

Any help would be muchly muchly appreciated as race season starts in eight weeks and I'm starting to struggle with the to do list.

Thanks, Matty.

O'Neill · 06-02-2014, 06:38 PM

Give Russ a call, he has deleated Vanos on his race car.

http://www.dmworx.co.uk/mobile

**shimmy** · 06-02-2014, 06:46 PM

Watta bout Nathan on here' he can delete anything

adem.csl · 06-02-2014, 10:43 PM

The way we used to do it on my old fiesta turbo we dial gauged pistons to top dead then cam to its too dead point then you really need a rolling road where you can power run it then adjust the cams via the sprockets to advance or retard as to the kind of torque band you want and where you want the band.in guessing mid range/low then you can work out by the dyno graphs where the best set up is.with a stand alone ecu i take it will need mapping so gotta take all that into consideration same time.adjusting air/fuel ratios against timing.used to watch my old boss do it its involved to say the least!!

Bounce · 06-02-2014, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by adem.csl

The way we used to do it on my old fiesta turbo we dial gauged pistons to top dead then cam to its too dead point then you really need a rolling road where you can power run it then adjust the cams via the sprockets to advance or retard as to the kind of torque band you want and where you want the band.in guessing mid range/low then you can work out by the dyno graphs where the best set up is.with a stand alone ecu i take it will need mapping so gotta take all that into consideration same time.adjusting air/fuel ratios against timing.used to watch my old boss do it its involved to say the least!!

This is the way I usually do it too.

Funkster · 07-02-2014, 04:55 PM

Thanks guys, I'll try and get hold of Russ in the morning......the more I read the more complicated it seems.....

It looks like it may only be possible with some of the special BMW tools

Quite a few of them on here I know

I'll keep on it !!

Thanks again !!

06-02-2014, 06:28 PM	#1
Funkster S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: May 2011 Location: Norfolk Posts: 135 Casino cash: $4098	Techo wizzers please help Hi Guys, Not been around for a while but cecil still tucked up in the warm and waiting for this years adventures. I'm really after some help with my E36 S54 racer and was hoping that someone out there has the knowledge. I need to De vanos the car prior to going down the standalone ecu route that I've chosen but the issue is with timing the cams.......I can source the vanos elimination kit in the uk but the cam timing is my worry. I've been searching and searching about timing the cams for optimal without the vanos but I am so struggling on finding any information........about 20 hrs on google and im truly done. I know I'll have to degree disc the crank etc and then probably get the dial gauge out but I'm in need of any info from anyone who may of done it before. I spotted a post from Mr gorilla on another forum from a while ago and I'm wondering if you ever found out the info. Any help would be muchly muchly appreciated as race season starts in eight weeks and I'm starting to struggle with the to do list. Thanks, Matty.

06-02-2014, 06:46 PM	#3
shimmy CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Uk Posts: 14,646 Casino cash: $43909	Watta bout Nathan on here' he can delete anything __________________ .

06-02-2014, 10:43 PM	#4
adem.csl S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: north london Posts: 1,012 Casino cash: $7218	The way we used to do it on my old fiesta turbo we dial gauged pistons to top dead then cam to its too dead point then you really need a rolling road where you can power run it then adjust the cams via the sprockets to advance or retard as to the kind of torque band you want and where you want the band.in guessing mid range/low then you can work out by the dyno graphs where the best set up is.with a stand alone ecu i take it will need mapping so gotta take all that into consideration same time.adjusting air/fuel ratios against timing.used to watch my old boss do it its involved to say the least!! __________________ Bmw in the blood!! Last edited by adem.csl; 06-02-2014 at 10:46 PM.

06-02-2014, 06:38 PM	#2
O'Neill S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,058 Casino cash: $21503	Give Russ a call, he has deleated Vanos on his race car. http://www.dmworx.co.uk/mobile

07-02-2014, 04:55 PM	#6
Funkster S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: May 2011 Location: Norfolk Posts: 135 Casino cash: $4098	Thanks guys, I'll try and get hold of Russ in the morning......the more I read the more complicated it seems..... It looks like it may only be possible with some of the special BMW tools Quite a few of them on here I know I'll keep on it !! Thanks again !!