AP Racing OR Alcon ?

StevenCSL · 06-02-2009, 04:00 PM

Hi all,

I want a big brake kit on my CSL as I do trackdays often.

I was thinking of the AP racing kit, front and rear. A friend is riding this setup for several years and find it fantastic in all ways ! Also I read a lot of positive comments on the AP's.

But now, Thorney Motorsports told me they will soon have an even more better kit from Alcon. But of course, this kit will have to proof itselves first. Or can they be sure, this kit is better than the AP's ?

Some info:

AP - Two piece calliper - flexes more under use

TMS/Alcon - mono block calliper, less flex, much stronger

AP - Front disk semi floating, 355mm size

TMS/Alcon - Front disk full floating, 365mm size

AP - rear disk solid (same as OEM)

TMS/Alcon - rear disk full floating (separate ali bell, 100mm larger)

Price will be almost the same...

What do you think guys ? AP or Alcon ? What would be a good choice for me ? I am not a real racer, just doing trackdays like Nurburgring, Spa-Francorchamps, Brands Hatch, etc...

Let's hear

SMD · 06-02-2009, 04:05 PM

I would say there is nothing in it!
Not many drivers would feel any flex in a AP caliper!

I would go Alcon to have somthing different!

dave1 · 06-02-2009, 04:07 PM

i have both here either is fine but the alcon kit look's so much better made

s.mac · 06-02-2009, 04:15 PM

I would go full floating all round

**DazBlackCSL** · 06-02-2009, 05:42 PM

There is a thread on this exact subject somewhere , as im probably going Alcon , and currently have AP.

If your only doing the odd track day , no real difference really , not that you would notice, both are fantastic kits and the first thing to change / upgrade.

If they are both the same £££ to you , then I would deffo go Alcon , for all the reasons above , and if your getting them from Thorney , they will be a yellow caliper ..( dont get me started on that one

) and looks awesome on both SG & SB CSL's as well.

I have been more than happy with my AP's , just prob going on my race car , so need another set anyway , unless i decide Alcon on the race car ..

Just being a tart , and want new Yellow Alcon's on the CSL really !!!

**Andyk** · 06-02-2009, 06:21 PM

Yep, I would go Alcon if only because of the Yellow....I'm a tart to Daz.

**DazBlackCSL** · 06-02-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andyk

Yep, I would go Alcon if only because of the Yellow....I'm a tart to Daz.

Lol! Glad it's not just me then !

Bealo · 06-02-2009, 08:12 PM

I have AP's front and rear and can't fault them at all. I would be amazed if the Alcons were significantly better..

Nords · 06-02-2009, 09:26 PM

I know the AP discs get a bad press but the calipers are excellent. I'm sure the alcons will be the same and Thorney wouldn't sell them for trackday applications without being sure about them. Alcons discs might be better, although another alternative is the Performance Friction discs?

I have just swapped the std 4 piston split Suzuki (nissin) calipers for 4 piston brembo monoblocks and I can tell the difference there, but I doubt you could tell on a car. Don't judge them on being monoblocks v's split calipers.

SpineOnABap · 06-02-2009, 09:32 PM

... and getting calipers painted costs next to nothing too.
Those people who bought 'Lo-Spec' calipers should know as they must have got them disguised!

06-02-2009, 04:00 PM	#1
StevenCSL S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 34 Casino cash: $380	AP Racing OR Alcon ? Hi all, I want a big brake kit on my CSL as I do trackdays often. I was thinking of the AP racing kit, front and rear. A friend is riding this setup for several years and find it fantastic in all ways ! Also I read a lot of positive comments on the AP's. But now, Thorney Motorsports told me they will soon have an even more better kit from Alcon. But of course, this kit will have to proof itselves first. Or can they be sure, this kit is better than the AP's ? Some info: AP - Two piece calliper - flexes more under use TMS/Alcon - mono block calliper, less flex, much stronger AP - Front disk semi floating, 355mm size TMS/Alcon - Front disk full floating, 365mm size AP - rear disk solid (same as OEM) TMS/Alcon - rear disk full floating (separate ali bell, 100mm larger) Price will be almost the same... What do you think guys ? AP or Alcon ? What would be a good choice for me ? I am not a real racer, just doing trackdays like Nurburgring, Spa-Francorchamps, Brands Hatch, etc... Let's hear

06-02-2009, 05:42 PM	#5
DazBlackCSL CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Shaboogling Posts: 7,199 Casino cash: $28478	There is a thread on this exact subject somewhere , as im probably going Alcon , and currently have AP. If your only doing the odd track day , no real difference really , not that you would notice, both are fantastic kits and the first thing to change / upgrade. If they are both the same £££ to you , then I would deffo go Alcon , for all the reasons above , and if your getting them from Thorney , they will be a yellow caliper ..( dont get me started on that one ) and looks awesome on both SG & SB CSL's as well. I have been more than happy with my AP's , just prob going on my race car , so need another set anyway , unless i decide Alcon on the race car .. Just being a tart , and want new Yellow Alcon's on the CSL really !!! __________________ CSL Register Lifestyle Coach and Social Secretary

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06-02-2009, 04:05 PM	#2
SMD S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1,505 Casino cash: $10726	I would say there is nothing in it! Not many drivers would feel any flex in a AP caliper! I would go Alcon to have somthing different!

06-02-2009, 04:07 PM	#3
dave1 S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: CORNWALL Posts: 937 Casino cash: $1432	i have both here either is fine but the alcon kit look's so much better made

06-02-2009, 04:15 PM	#4
s.mac CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,247 Casino cash: $15600	I would go full floating all round

06-02-2009, 06:21 PM	#6
Andyk Driving it like I nicked it Space Invaders Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chepstow Posts: 2,506 Casino cash: $3997	Yep, I would go Alcon if only because of the Yellow....I'm a tart to Daz.

06-02-2009, 08:12 PM	#8
Bealo Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Everywhere. Posts: 2,540 Casino cash: $12738	I have AP's front and rear and can't fault them at all. I would be amazed if the Alcons were significantly better..

06-02-2009, 09:26 PM	#9
Nords S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 527 Casino cash: $1272	I know the AP discs get a bad press but the calipers are excellent. I'm sure the alcons will be the same and Thorney wouldn't sell them for trackday applications without being sure about them. Alcons discs might be better, although another alternative is the Performance Friction discs? I have just swapped the std 4 piston split Suzuki (nissin) calipers for 4 piston brembo monoblocks and I can tell the difference there, but I doubt you could tell on a car. Don't judge them on being monoblocks v's split calipers.

06-02-2009, 09:32 PM	#10
SpineOnABap S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: May 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 561 Casino cash: $5714	... and getting calipers painted costs next to nothing too. Those people who bought 'Lo-Spec' calipers should know as they must have got them disguised!