My 1st CSL Experience! - Page 5

adem.csl · 31-10-2012, 09:58 PM

i believe you to be right.hear me out i could be wrong but this is what i think.why produce a button that only makes the car responsive to pedal travel and make noise?the noise is the flap opening up correct?ok when that flap opens it allows greater airflow into the manifold?yes? now the car wont run properly with too much air so we add fuel?ok we got increased air so we increse fuel.ratio is 14.1 i think.now we got more fuel and air we run greater exhaust temps.that could burn a valve so to counter that we addd timing am i right?now with more air fuel and timing comes more power?what do ya think?

adem.csl · 31-10-2012, 10:02 PM

by the way all other sensors are adding their evaluations such as engine temp vs throttle position vs air temp/pressure vs all the oxygen sensors that monitor fuel.all adding to the adjustments so it cant be just a noise and quick pedal.

thrashermax · 31-10-2012, 10:08 PM

More power at the same pedal position but the top BHP remains the same. This is why when cruising the car increases revs when the button is pressed despite keeping the pedal in the same position.

Unfortunately, Adem, you come across as a wide boy - don't be offended by comments to you, just enjoy your CSL! And stop racing Fords!

adem.csl · 31-10-2012, 10:15 PM

what im saying is same as shimmy ok.ya top bhp of 360 will stay the same cos the flap is open top end.but wid flap closed you loose a litte power due to restrictions.it was my take anyway not gospel.YET!!!!!! whats a wide boy?

thrashermax · 31-10-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by adem.csl

whats a wide boy?

Wheeler Dealer type like Del Boy...

adem.csl · 31-10-2012, 10:32 PM

thanx mate thats prob where i differ from you guys im from the rough parts of london,got outta there making better of my life.didnt grow up in rich surroundings all my mates drug dealers i work two honest jos to afford my cars.thanx anyway

thrashermax · 31-10-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by adem.csl

thanx mate thats prob where i differ from you guys im from the rough parts of london,got outta there making better of my life.didnt grow up in rich surroundings all my mates drug dealers i work two honest jos to afford my cars.thanx anyway

That's great Adem, I'm from Burnley... bit rough, moved the Walthamstow, not so nice but now live in Horsham -much better and safer for my kids... I'm sorry some people were a little negative... did you do the mods on your CSL yourself? Nice strut brace...

My Dad was a nurse and supplemented his income from buying/selling cars... even though I've just got a CSL I have old Fords in my blood... my other car is mark 1 1972 Escort with 1800cc zetec...

Enjoy your CSL and don't bother racing the Fords!

adem.csl · 31-10-2012, 10:47 PM

walthamstow is a terrible place to livemoved outta stokenewington when a 16yr boy put a gun through my window screamin get out ya car!not for love.broke his wrist and drove off quick..i own a 220 bhp fiesta turbo proven.built it myself and have proof.done all my work apart from remap on csl.ive come on here to learn stuff and find people to join going to tracks cos thats what i wanna do wid my car.im not best at posting stuff and it dont always sound right so i get slated.even though im a mechanic there is always something new to learn its just finding people who wanna share rather then being negative,

thrashermax · 31-10-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by adem.csl

there is always something new to learn its just finding people who wanna share rather then being negative,

It's easy for people to be negative on the keyboard... but there are decent people around. Fiesta sounds a handful! 220bhp and FWD in a light car... you must love getting back in CSL after that!

_Nathan_ · 31-10-2012, 11:21 PM

Shim - 30bhp with a broken flap but with sport off and a working flap the flap still opens at 6.2k or whatever it is so for the last 2k odd rpm there is bugger all difference in air flow in to the airbox.

The peak figure on the dyno should be identical I'd say, as should the power and torque curves from the point the flap opens in non sport mode, in both modes 100% throttle pedal = 100% throttle movement...

Would like to see logs of MAP values with and without the flap open through the rev range whilst the car is moving at speed through the air.

31-10-2012, 09:58 PM	#41
adem.csl S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: north london Posts: 1,012 Casino cash: $7218	i believe you to be right.hear me out i could be wrong but this is what i think.why produce a button that only makes the car responsive to pedal travel and make noise?the noise is the flap opening up correct?ok when that flap opens it allows greater airflow into the manifold?yes? now the car wont run properly with too much air so we add fuel?ok we got increased air so we increse fuel.ratio is 14.1 i think.now we got more fuel and air we run greater exhaust temps.that could burn a valve so to counter that we addd timing am i right?now with more air fuel and timing comes more power?what do ya think? __________________ Bmw in the blood!!

31-10-2012, 10:02 PM	#42
adem.csl S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: north london Posts: 1,012 Casino cash: $7218	by the way all other sensors are adding their evaluations such as engine temp vs throttle position vs air temp/pressure vs all the oxygen sensors that monitor fuel.all adding to the adjustments so it cant be just a noise and quick pedal. __________________ Bmw in the blood!!

31-10-2012, 10:15 PM	#44
adem.csl S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: north london Posts: 1,012 Casino cash: $7218	what im saying is same as shimmy ok.ya top bhp of 360 will stay the same cos the flap is open top end.but wid flap closed you loose a litte power due to restrictions.it was my take anyway not gospel.YET!!!!!! whats a wide boy? __________________ Bmw in the blood!!

31-10-2012, 10:32 PM	#46
adem.csl S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: north london Posts: 1,012 Casino cash: $7218	thanx mate thats prob where i differ from you guys im from the rough parts of london,got outta there making better of my life.didnt grow up in rich surroundings all my mates drug dealers i work two honest jos to afford my cars.thanx anyway __________________ Bmw in the blood!!

31-10-2012, 10:47 PM	#48
adem.csl S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: north london Posts: 1,012 Casino cash: $7218	walthamstow is a terrible place to livemoved outta stokenewington when a 16yr boy put a gun through my window screamin get out ya car!not for love.broke his wrist and drove off quick..i own a 220 bhp fiesta turbo proven.built it myself and have proof.done all my work apart from remap on csl.ive come on here to learn stuff and find people to join going to tracks cos thats what i wanna do wid my car.im not best at posting stuff and it dont always sound right so i get slated.even though im a mechanic there is always something new to learn its just finding people who wanna share rather then being negative, __________________ Bmw in the blood!! Last edited by adem.csl; 31-10-2012 at 10:50 PM.

31-10-2012, 10:08 PM	#43
thrashermax S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Horsham, West Sussex Posts: 149 Casino cash: $1781	More power at the same pedal position but the top BHP remains the same. This is why when cruising the car increases revs when the button is pressed despite keeping the pedal in the same position. Unfortunately, Adem, you come across as a wide boy - don't be offended by comments to you, just enjoy your CSL! And stop racing Fords!

31-10-2012, 11:21 PM	#50
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	Shim - 30bhp with a broken flap but with sport off and a working flap the flap still opens at 6.2k or whatever it is so for the last 2k odd rpm there is bugger all difference in air flow in to the airbox. The peak figure on the dyno should be identical I'd say, as should the power and torque curves from the point the flap opens in non sport mode, in both modes 100% throttle pedal = 100% throttle movement... Would like to see logs of MAP values with and without the flap open through the rev range whilst the car is moving at speed through the air. __________________ Nathan