Nitron - Amazing customer service

[s.mac]

Jim always changes badges (chav) he took the st off and put RS now he's added an L to his new car



Sorry to jump on this for my own benefit .... Mr G, are you saying all cars should run hard up front with a soft rear ?? I do run the csl like that

but I also run a front wheel drive car and run Leda with say 20 clicks back and front 1 soft 20 hard. I normally run between 6-9 from soft up front then 16-20 rear, 600lb springs front 800lb rears (coil overs)
In the wet I did find out ( the hard way) that I should of backed the rears right off , but is this all wrong ??
I'm also thinking of going 1000lb on rears?

[northernjim]

I am sorry about the divergence of this thread from its true purpose Toby

Originally Posted by shimmy

No but really would like to , but never seen it not broken down tbh!


But you is technically proficient where I is a pleb who has no idea about most things automotive.

My car has only blown up the once in your esteemed company - la source at spa was not the most discreet place for it to happen mind.....



and if I was being nice I could say that if I can tweak suspension then so can you.... but I wasn't


As for you two

[shane@mbtech]

My post wasnt a dig at Nitron, as it seems they are wanting to and are working to get the kits 100% right. Its a learning curve, and their customer service is great (having dealt with them myself in the past)

I was just pointing out that I know of others on different marques and also BMW that have had the same issues as you.

Their premises are spot on too, had a great day there whilst having the kit fitted to a previous car.

Glad you are getting it all sorted

[phoenixcsl]

Originally Posted by northernjim

I am sorry about the divergence of this thread from its true purpose Toby

That's ok Jim you are forgiven, I'm getting the popcorn ready...

Are you still rocking round in the RS?

[phoenixcsl]

Originally Posted by lawsy

My post wasnt a dig at Nitron, as it seems they are wanting to and are working to get the kits 100% right. Its a learning curve, and their customer service is great (having dealt with them myself in the past)

I was just pointing out that I know of others on different marques and also BMW that have had the same issues as you.

Their premises are spot on too, had a great day there whilst having the kit fitted to a previous car.

Glad you are getting it all sorted

That's cool shane, I didn't think you were having a dig at them.

I am hoping they can do something to make it work, if not then i've tried everything possible to get them how I want them and it will be time for something new.

I'm looking forward to getting up there and checking out their premises as they look good and clinical.

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Quote- Mr G, are you saying all cars should run hard up front with a soft rear ?? I do run the csl like that

but I also run a front wheel drive car and run Leda with say 20 clicks back and front 1 soft 20 hard. I normally run between 6-9 from soft up front then 16-20 rear, 600lb springs front 800lb rears (coil overs)
In the wet I did find out ( the hard way) that I should of backed the rears right off , but is this all wrong ??
I'm also thinking of going 1000lb on rears?


Not meaning to Thread Jack.

No, I am not saying that, I am saying that Front
engined RWD cars with approx 50/50 front to rear
weight ratio, ''if set up correctly;; are much more
compliant with stiffer front and softer rear.

On a Front wheel drive car, personally, I would
run as soft a front spring as I could, but with
the largest stiffest ARB I could fit.
I would run the rear springs stiffer but with
valving to the dampers which when turned/clicked
right up, they were stiffer.
I would run a rear ARB that was 'less' than std
in the dry, and 'removed' when wet.

A Smaller rear ARB with a little pre-load
dialled in will also assist on turn in.

As you know with front wheel drive its lift
off to correct, but if the front is way to stiff,
if you lift off mid corner with a very stiff front
end it will be 'skitting' all over the place
as there is no compliance in stiff coils
when there loaded up.

But with softer springs the car will be far more
fore giving and with a much larger stiffer ARB assisting
in keeping the cross axle dynamics loaded enough
so that you can keep the Tyre patch in contact.

You will have to play around with tyre pressures
as by running a softer front spring you may find
you need the front pressures up a little and the
rear a little lower.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[s.mac]

Thanks Mr G, one for me to digest


Jim, you know it's all true but we still love you (if that helps)

[NZ_M3]

The stock CSL setup actually has quite a bit of rack compared to the standard car. Nothing wrong with a bit of rack - if it's good enough for Adrian Newey and the Redbull RB6, 7 & 8 then it's good enough for me

The stock rear shock as Mr G states actually has really soft damping when dyno'd, but very high rebound characteristics. Compared to the front shocks which has much more evenly distributed rebound and damping setting.

BMW sussed the suspension pretty well in stock form I have to say.

[northernjim]

Originally Posted by s.mac

but I also run a front wheel drive car and run Leda with say 20 clicks back and front 1 soft 20 hard. I normally run between 6-9 from soft up front then 16-20 rear, 600lb springs front 800lb rears (coil overs)
In the wet I did find out ( the hard way) that I should of backed the rears right off , but is this all wrong ??
I'm also thinking of going 1000lb on rears?

Do you know what this means Steve