Real world difference between an M3 and a CSL...

[sailorbaz]

Aye, you need to get a shot of one. I'm sure someone isn't far from you, would be willing to show you just how special the CSL is.

No one's mentioned the steering. My mate has an M3 and everytime is gets a shot of my CSL he comments on A) the seats and driving position before B) the steering and then finally C) the induction ROAR! So different from a standard M3.

Where are you Funtime?

[funtime]

Originally Posted by lawsy

If you like M track, then you drive like a pussy, simple.

a little harsh surly? MonkeyCSL was only yesterday telling me how great M-track was, although this was after he'd finished talking about stroking the duck tail spoiler and installing a glass wall in his living room so he could sit and stroke himself whilst gazing at his CSL

Seriously though, I want M-track as I find the normal DSC to intrusive for normal driving, yet I don't want to turn it off as the one time I don't 'catch the back' and bin it I'd feel uber stupid.

Do you drive with DSC completely off everywhere then Lawsy?

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by lawsy

If you like M track, then you drive like a pussy, simple.

i like M Track

[TANKSLAPPER]

I sold my M3 e46 after 10 months

I have owned CSL's for 7 years and I won't be selling for the next 7

T$

[funtime]

Originally Posted by sailorbaz

Aye, you need to get a shot of one. I'm sure someone isn't far from you, would be willing to show you just how special the CSL is.

No one's mentioned the steering. My mate has an M3 and everytime is gets a shot of my CSL he comments on A) the seats and driving position before B) the steering and then finally C) the induction ROAR! So different from a standard M3.

Where are you Funtime?

I'm in Crawley unfortunately

Turn in is one of the things the guys at Munich said is so much better than the standard M3 - I know they have a different steering rack, but is alot of the turn in just down to the standard CSL geo settings i.e the negative camber etc?

If you changed the M3 suspension and dialled in the same settings wouldn't this geo and turn-in capability be achievable with very little work?

If anyone is near by that and wouldn't mind having a chat and taking me out in theirs that would be much appreciated though

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by TANKSLAPPER

I sold my M3 e46 after 10 months

I have owned CSL's for 7 years and I won't be selling for the next 7

T$

are they that old really!

[shimmy]

where is Crawley?

I was at M Legends this morning!

Originally Posted by funtime

I'm in Crawley unfortunately

Turn in is one of the things the guys at Munich said is so much better than the standard M3 - I know they have a different steering rack, but is alot of the turn in just down to the standard CSL geo settings i.e the negative camber etc?

If you changed the M3 suspension and dialled in the same settings wouldn't this geo and turn-in capability be achievable with very little work?

If anyone is near by that and wouldn't mind having a chat and taking me out in theirs that would be much appreciated though

[shane@mbtech]

Originally Posted by shimmy

i met a guy today for the first time, hes not on the forums and loves his BMWs. He has had 2 CSLs and can see himself getting another one as everything else just aint the same.

Sooo many CSL owners talk of the CSL like it was the best car theyve ever owned even when thye have obviously owned far better ones for sure but some how it seems to just to appeal to a certain type.

Id say drive one and find out. Feck the mrs, buy here a Polo with the saving on depreciation if she dont like it.


However i also have troiuble driving my CSL above 90% of its capabilities as i have to drive it home as well.

That explains everything then Shim, besides you have the MX5 now for 100% attack

Originally Posted by funtime

a little harsh surly? MonkeyCSL was only yesterday telling me how great M-track was, although this was after he'd finished talking about stroking the duck tail spoiler and installing a glass wall in his living room so he could sit and stroke himself whilst gazing at his CSL

Seriously though, I want M-track as I find the normal DSC to intrusive for normal driving, yet I don't want to turn it off as the one time I don't 'catch the back' and bin it I'd feel uber stupid.

Do you drive with DSC completely off everywhere then Lawsy?

Just a joke, but really if you need M track on track then you will not be fast fast IMO.

I did do yes, sadly not a csl owner no more, only time I used M track, was pissing down rain on track and for first few sessions only. Then it was sideways , I really learnt alot about the breakaway points with dsc off, esp in the wet, I then put the lesson learnt to use on dry track, making me faster.

M track will not save a physics defying spin, if you cant catch yourself what M track stops, then yes you will need it.

Some corners a little spin up helps, others not so, but you soon learn which corners they are.

M track is ok, but its a very primative system, compared to ferrari system which can make anyone look like a legend, it is in the ice age.

But if you are slowly learning and new to M3 and rwd then its a good stepping stone.

I was brought up on rwd so I like a bit of arse action, well so the rumours say anyhow

[TANKSLAPPER]

Originally Posted by shimmy

are they that old really!

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

T$

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by lawsy

That explains everything then Shim, besides you have the MX5 now for 100% attack

yer have to drive them feckers at 120%