FAO Titan

[DuncanR]

Originally Posted by titan

Some sections (out of briedscheid up ex-muhle (spelling??)) are a bit of a danger spot for RWD, whereas the evo just blasts up the hill.

Mmmmm interesting dont you think T$ ???

Nice job Lee, well done mate. Shame about the off, but I reckon given the gap like that most of us would have done same and gone for it !

PS T$ is also the biggest wind up around these parts ! ...or is it prats ???

[TANKSLAPPER]

Originally Posted by titan

heh well given the same driver, it would be hard to see how. The CSL is around the same weight and sub-400 HP. It may have a better chassis dynamic, but the evo's big rubber and 4wd would be tough to beat. Some sections (out of briedscheid up ex-muhle (spelling??)) are a bit of a danger spot for RWD, whereas the evo just blasts up the hill.

If you said "someone decent in the CSL vs me in the evo" - fair enough, but I do think that if the driver was the same it would be a one horse race. I won't be doing 7:45 in the CSL !

I might let you pass in Your 600 break evo,...........lol, But standard evo’s could overtake a standard CSL and if we did multiple laps the tyres on the evo would give up first.

I totally agreed about ex-muhle is a very difficult bend to take in the csl with the traction off, I had my moments up there.

As you probably know, Andrew Molholland did 7.40 BTG in a standard engine CSL

So am I right in thinking that you have just bought a CSL ?

T$

[TANKSLAPPER]

Originally Posted by DuncanR

Mmmmm interesting dont you think T$ ???

Nice job Lee, well done mate. Shame about the off, but I reckon given the gap like that most of us would have done same and gone for it !

PS T$ is also the biggest wind up around these parts ! ...or is it prats ???

Duncan is the second biggest wind up pratt.

Lee, whatever you do don't give Duncan your phone number.

T$

[shimmy]

Looking at your vid again Titan I think I would have gone for that gap swell, as ge seemed to make a clear move off line. Prob he made a mistake and forgot which corner he was at.

He needed me at his side!

Running a data log of your Evo against CSL would be very interesting at the Ring. Would be good to see how much the Evo teatscaway on the acceleration and how close it is on corner speed.

[AlexGTT]

Of course, it's easy to sit behind a computer screen and preach the do's and don'ts at the Ring but I'd say the M3 driver made a bad mistake. He was wide on the first part of Wipperman and therefore in the wrong place for the second part forcing him to brake exactly where you don't want to brake!!

It looked like he was leaving the door open and 9 out of 10, most of us would have drived through. But, he clearly fucked up and closed the door on you.

Bad luck fella. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Not too much you could have done other than maybe hung back while he gathered it up and passed him later.

[titan]

Originally Posted by TANKSLAPPER

I might let you pass in Your 600 break evo,...........lol, But standard evo’s could overtake a standard CSL and if we did multiple laps the tyres on the evo would give up first.

Now I would disagree with that statement ;-)

I moved over to direzzas when I used to run a "standard" 245 profile tyre. R888s and road tyres just melted. Direzzas really do take the heat.

However since moving to a 285 profile and removing weight from the car gone are tyre heat issues. Especially at the ring. I was considering moving back to an R888, I find the direzzas also remove some of the feedback.

Originally Posted by TANKSLAPPER

I totally agreed about ex-muhle is a very difficult bend to take in the csl with the traction off, I had my moments up there.

I've seen countless M3s in the armco a few hundred yards after ex-muhle on the straight. Can only assume they lose the rear, slap down the straight before using the armco to bring an end to their fail.

Originally Posted by TANKSLAPPER

As you probably know, Andrew Molholland did 7.40 BTG in a standard engine CSL

I didn't know it was that quick. That is impressive, allowing approx 30s for a full-lap conversion, thats only 20s off of the "official record". My point being that if he can do 7:40 in a CSL, he would be able to go quicker in the evo surely.

Originally Posted by TANKSLAPPER

So am I right in thinking that you have just bought a CSL ?

Yes indeed. Its my warm-up to porker-ownership next year. I figure I need to learn some decent RWD control before stepping up to something even more ridiculous than the evo.

Are you one of these chaps (from PH) "Gaute, Steve Gill, Thorleif, myself and numerous other regulars will lap in circa 7:40 -> 7:50 fairly easily..."

[shane@mbtech]

A well set up 600bhp evo would muller a CSL, even with uprated brakes suspension etc. On track and ring. Difference changing depending on which track.

Ive been round enough of both to know.

Same driver (good driver BTW), I reckon a CSL is on par with a well set up 400bhp EVO.

Same driver (good driver again) 600 bhp well set up EVO, the CSL would wonder which way it went.

And Lee's Evo looks very well set-up. 285 rubber makes a big difference on the Evo's.

I did not really like the way any of my evo's drove, My CSL is the best circuit car Ive owned, (except my Indy, but not comparable due to massive differences)

I had far more fun in my CSL than I ever done in my Evo's though.

Horses for courses.


The problem with trackdays etc, beating various cars, you get a false impression that said car is not actually that fast, but put a quick driver in it and you then clearly see the other cars potential.

I came across a handful of X bows on track, thought they were shit and slow, then one day at oulton park a 260bhp left everyone standing still doing sub 1.50's easily. My views changed dramatically.

I have came across 100's of evos on track inc high powered ones, and only a handful have ever been quick.

Perception is a funny thing.

BTW Lee, your top mounts are being made now by SD, as a rush order, they called me today, apologising. PM on its way.

[TANKSLAPPER]

No I’m not from PH, but I do know Gaute, Steve Gill, Thorleif more from forums that racing lol.
Although I don’t time myself on the Ring others have. Sub 8 min is the norm subject to traffic & conditions.

It’s interesting your thoughts on 285 rubber

I have found running to larger tyre sizes has detrimental effect on my lap times as specially on long tracks, what you gain on the bends you lose on the straights. I found myself driving much more aggressively throwing the car into bend rather than driving it.

ie 285 rear & 265 fronts cups @ Spa 2’56”
standard fitment 265 rear, 235 front cups @ Spa 2’ 54”

This is probably down to the lack of BHP increase when I fit the wider tyres. You should have this problem with 600 bhp lol

I found the biggest gain from having wider tyres is longevity, ideal if you are doing endurance racing.

T$

[glendog74]

Originally Posted by TANKSLAPPER

It’s interesting your thoughts on 285 rubber

I have found running to larger tyre sizes has detrimental effect on my lap times as specially on long tracks, what you gain on the bends you lose on the straights. I found myself driving much more aggressively throwing the car into bend rather than driving it.

Ian,

Did you ever have rubbing issues with the 285 rears? Did you change the rear camber settings to allow fit under the arch?

TVM

[shimmy]

T$

Dont forget his wide rubber is on a 4wd car do getting more power down

Any track with ling straights and fast corners wider front rubber isn't likely to help, just look at dragsters and their front to back rubber sizes