ok, another temperature issue - Page 3

Bealo · 19-08-2009, 08:11 AM

I would be interested to hear the views of the UK tuners/racers on this issue.

But it seems to me that most of us on here frequent the track and i for one am interested in a group buy for the oil coolers and 55 degree tropical stat.

Who has decent contacts in the trade who could give us a good price?

The Gorilla · 19-08-2009, 09:34 AM

Hi,

Lawsy- I did not think I was contradicting myself,
I was trying to get across the point that on shorter
Circuits etc, engine load is usually higher hence the
oil cooling is insufficiunet and the water temp will creep
up due to this.

On more open type Power circuits, engine load can decrease
slightly but oil temp can remain high
although the water temp can periodically drop to a point where the std
water thermostat closes, which is not good.

Point was, that increasing Oil cooling capacity and ensuring
that the water thermostat stays open, greatly assists with
keeping fluid temps in their operating range when using
the car on Track.

With regard Data, I have a DL1 in my Car but I have not used in ages.

Bealo- increasing the size of the oil cooler or fitting a piggy back
type cooler, is quite straight forward, use the Turner or Vac Oil
cooler adapter take off kit, and then you can use whatever size
lines and run them where you want.

Changing the water stat is a five minute job, but if your car is
also a road car that see winter use in the UK, keep the std
stat and put in back in for the winter period, as it will
help with internal heater / blower.

Part Number for the 55 degree Water Stat at Turners is-
11531417215, although I have purchased 2 from the
local dealer, as it is a BMW part.

Part number at Turners for the Oil hose take off adapter is-
TEN9910200. Vac also do this kit.

www.turnermotorsport.com

I would guess that many of the S54 Race cars run the
std outer thermostat 'ring' to ensure correct water circulation
but have removed the stat itself, unless regs state otherwise.

On my own Car I have converted to an Oil / Water heat
exchanger and use the air cooled oil cooler as back up.
You guys with cars with warranties would more than likely have
them invalidated, so no use to you.

Hope that helps,

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Ade · 19-08-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

.

Part Number for the 55 degree Water Stat at Turners is-
11531417215, although I have purchased 2 from the
local dealer, as it is a BMW part.

Is the cost of the part expensive? What's the complexity of installation?

The Gorilla · 19-08-2009, 10:43 AM

Hi,

Ade- 55 Degree water thermostat from the dealer
is around the 90.00 ish plus Vat.

Installation, is about 15/20 mins Job.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Ade · 19-08-2009, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,

Ade- 55 Degree water thermostat from the dealer
is around the 90.00 ish plus Vat.

Installation, is about 15/20 mins Job.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Thanks

My car is at the dealer right now, so I'll ask them to have a look at it whilst there.

shane@mbtech · 19-08-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,

Lawsy- I did not think I was contradicting myself,
I was trying to get across the point that on shorter
Circuits etc, engine load is usually higher hence the
oil cooling is insufficiunet and the water temp will creep
up due to this.

On more open type Power circuits, engine load can decrease
slightly but oil temp can remain high
although the water temp can periodically drop to a point where the std
water thermostat closes, which is not good.

Point was, that increasing Oil cooling capacity and ensuring
that the water thermostat stays open, greatly assists with
keeping fluid temps in their operating range when using
the car on Track.

With regard Data, I have a DL1 in my Car but I have not used in ages.

Bealo- increasing the size of the oil cooler or fitting a piggy back
type cooler, is quite straight forward, use the Turner or Vac Oil
cooler adapter take off kit, and then you can use whatever size
lines and run them where you want.

Changing the water stat is a five minute job, but if your car is
also a road car that see winter use in the UK, keep the std
stat and put in back in for the winter period, as it will
help with internal heater / blower.

Part Number for the 55 degree Water Stat at Turners is-
11531417215, although I have purchased 2 from the
local dealer, as it is a BMW part.

Part number at Turners for the Oil hose take off adapter is-
TEN9910200. Vac also do this kit.

www.turnermotorsport.com

I would guess that many of the S54 Race cars run the
std outer thermostat 'ring' to ensure correct water circulation
but have removed the stat itself, unless regs state otherwise.

On my own Car I have converted to an Oil / Water heat
exchanger and use the air cooled oil cooler as back up.
You guys with cars with warranties would more than likely have
them invalidated, so no use to you.

Hope that helps,

Regards,

The Gorilla.

I take on board what you state, you sound like an educated person and i appreciate your experience.

I agree with your views on the oil cooler and the stat.

I was a little bit worried about my oil temps being so high, esp after coming from my 450bhp tuned evo, which showed about 100c oil temps on track.

Thank you for your views and advice, part numbers etc

7.77 · 23-08-2009, 07:35 PM

sorry, i'm back from holidays ans a ring trip.

it stills overheat even after changing the fan coupling and the stat.

I have just noticed the overheating was just after a hard braking. i have tried to stay at full throttle during the overheating (don't panic, i just consider it overheats when the needle is beginning to climb the gauge, but i have never been near the red zone), and the temp just go down to normal temp....if there is a straight line long enough.

I have notice the overheating arrived when i was using pagid pads, no problem before with standart pads. I use to lost my front bmw wheel badges on tracks, and when i recovered one, it was jsut burnt !!! any chance to have the braking heat climbing under the hood ????? there is no brake duct in a csl, when i hardly use my car on public roads (

), it never overheats.......when i hardly brake, and after i'm on full throttle, it overheats !!

the explaination of "the gorilla" seems good about the stat, why not trying ??

Jeff · 23-08-2009, 10:05 PM

There is no way your brakes are making your engine temperature rise.

7.77 · 25-08-2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,

Part Number for the 55 degree Water Stat at Turners is-
11531417215, although I have purchased 2 from the
local dealer, as it is a BMW part.

.

this part number seems to be a bmw number, could you confirm ?? if not, what is the bmw part number for the 55° stat ?

The Gorilla · 25-08-2009, 10:20 AM

Hi,

7.77- I believe the Turner Part number is the
BMW Part number.

When you order the part just double check that its
the ''S50/54 Tropical Thermostat @55 Degrees.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

23-08-2009, 07:35 PM	#27
7.77 S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: france Posts: 284 Casino cash: $4221	sorry, i'm back from holidays ans a ring trip. it stills overheat even after changing the fan coupling and the stat. I have just noticed the overheating was just after a hard braking. i have tried to stay at full throttle during the overheating (don't panic, i just consider it overheats when the needle is beginning to climb the gauge, but i have never been near the red zone), and the temp just go down to normal temp....if there is a straight line long enough. I have notice the overheating arrived when i was using pagid pads, no problem before with standart pads. I use to lost my front bmw wheel badges on tracks, and when i recovered one, it was jsut burnt !!! any chance to have the braking heat climbing under the hood ????? there is no brake duct in a csl, when i hardly use my car on public roads (), it never overheats.......when i hardly brake, and after i'm on full throttle, it overheats !! the explaination of "the gorilla" seems good about the stat, why not trying ??

19-08-2009, 08:11 AM	#21
Bealo Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Everywhere. Posts: 2,540 Casino cash: $12738	I would be interested to hear the views of the UK tuners/racers on this issue. But it seems to me that most of us on here frequent the track and i for one am interested in a group buy for the oil coolers and 55 degree tropical stat. Who has decent contacts in the trade who could give us a good price?

19-08-2009, 09:34 AM	#22
The Gorilla S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 740 Casino cash: $14401	Hi, Lawsy- I did not think I was contradicting myself, I was trying to get across the point that on shorter Circuits etc, engine load is usually higher hence the oil cooling is insufficiunet and the water temp will creep up due to this. On more open type Power circuits, engine load can decrease slightly but oil temp can remain high although the water temp can periodically drop to a point where the std water thermostat closes, which is not good. Point was, that increasing Oil cooling capacity and ensuring that the water thermostat stays open, greatly assists with keeping fluid temps in their operating range when using the car on Track. With regard Data, I have a DL1 in my Car but I have not used in ages. Bealo- increasing the size of the oil cooler or fitting a piggy back type cooler, is quite straight forward, use the Turner or Vac Oil cooler adapter take off kit, and then you can use whatever size lines and run them where you want. Changing the water stat is a five minute job, but if your car is also a road car that see winter use in the UK, keep the std stat and put in back in for the winter period, as it will help with internal heater / blower. Part Number for the 55 degree Water Stat at Turners is- 11531417215, although I have purchased 2 from the local dealer, as it is a BMW part. Part number at Turners for the Oil hose take off adapter is- TEN9910200. Vac also do this kit. www.turnermotorsport.com I would guess that many of the S54 Race cars run the std outer thermostat 'ring' to ensure correct water circulation but have removed the stat itself, unless regs state otherwise. On my own Car I have converted to an Oil / Water heat exchanger and use the air cooled oil cooler as back up. You guys with cars with warranties would more than likely have them invalidated, so no use to you. Hope that helps, Regards, The Gorilla.

19-08-2009, 10:43 AM	#24
The Gorilla S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 740 Casino cash: $14401	Hi, Ade- 55 Degree water thermostat from the dealer is around the 90.00 ish plus Vat. Installation, is about 15/20 mins Job. Regards, The Gorilla.

23-08-2009, 10:05 PM	#28
Jeff S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southfields, London Posts: 121 Casino cash: $675	There is no way your brakes are making your engine temperature rise.

25-08-2009, 10:20 AM	#30
The Gorilla S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 740 Casino cash: $14401	Hi, 7.77- I believe the Turner Part number is the BMW Part number. When you order the part just double check that its the ''S50/54 Tropical Thermostat @55 Degrees. Regards, The Gorilla.