BMW Performance Brakesystem

[Levente]

thanks for the info, i want to buy it in one of the BMW service in München, hopefully it doesnt cost as much as the Brembo Gran Turismo brakes. Is it possible to buy it seperate , i mean buy Replace only the front brakes, and replace the back ones later? I cant belive the stock csl brakes are so crap

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by Levente

thanks for the info... I cant belive the stock csl brakes are so crap

It's mainly the CSL OEM pads that are so crap. Put some decent after market pads like PAGID or Performance Friction then change your OEM rubber brake lines to Goodridge stainless steel lines and maybe upgrade your brake fluid to ATS Super Blue Racing or MOTUL RBF 660.
Any of these three simple mods or the combination of all three will vastly improve the OEM crapness and will be perfect for every day/fast road use as well as occasional Track Day

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by mattCSLnut

It's mainly the CSL OEM pads that are so crap. Put some decent after market pads like PAGID or Performance Friction then change your OEM rubber brake lines to Goodridge stainless steel lines and maybe upgrade your brake fluid to ATS Super Blue Racing or MOTUL RBF 660.
Any of these three simple mods or the combination of all three will vastly improve the OEM crapness and will be perfect for every day/fast road use as well as occasional Track Day

I disagree a little Matt, it's the cooling of the whole system that's not up to much. Stopping power is ok, but heat just ruins them on track.

[Levente]

Originally Posted by mattCSLnut

It's mainly the CSL OEM pads that are so crap. Put some decent after market pads like PAGID or Performance Friction then change your OEM rubber brake lines to Goodridge stainless steel lines and maybe upgrade your brake fluid to ATS Super Blue Racing or MOTUL RBF 660.
Any of these three simple mods or the combination of all three will vastly improve the OEM crapness and will be perfect for every day/fast road use as well as occasional Track Day

not only the pads, but only one piston brakes? what were they thinking? im suprised about the brakedistance from 100 km/h is 33meter. Well they say that

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by shimmy

I disagree a little Matt, it's the cooling of the whole system that's not up to much. Stopping power is ok, but heat just ruins them on track.

And I agree additional cooling (mainly @ the front) would be a welcomed addition on the M3/CSL but as we all know the OEM pads shit themselves even on a public road after repeated use.
By upgrading to AP Racing, BREMBO, etc we are still left with cooling issues, are we not ?

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by mattCSLnut

And I agree additional cooling (mainly @ the front) would be a welcomed addition on the M3/CSL but as we all know the OEM pads shit themselves even on a public road after repeated use.
By upgrading to AP Racing, BREMBO, etc we are still left with cooling issues, are we not ?

No, my APs have never had any cooling problems, by that I mean the discs and callioers do not get so hot that when driving the retained heat boils the fluid or melts the pads. With the best fluid in standard brakes, you can still cook it quite easy.

[Levente]

I dont want to go to the Ring often, so mainly i want to use the car for open road and perhaps mountain roads. BMW Performance brakes are good then for this? Anyone know the price for fat new performance brakesystem?

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by Levente

not only the pads, but only one piston brakes? what were they thinking? im suprised about the brakedistance from 100 km/h is 33meter. Well they say that

Sure, the single piston callipers are an utter embarrassment on our cars but the weakest point IMHO are the crap OEM pads and as Shimmy mentioned brake cooling issues, that further enhance the crapness of it all.

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by mattCSLnut

Sure, the single piston callipers are an utter embarrassment on our cars but the weakest point IMHO are the crap OEM pads and as Shimmy mentioned brake cooling issues, that further enhance the crapness of it all.

I had mine without APs for about 3 months so mostly forgotten but I think that with good fluid and decent pads it would be very hard to cook the brakes on the road.

[Levente]

I dont want to go to the Ring often, so mainly i want to use the car for open road and perhaps mountain roads. BMW Performance brakes are good then for this? Anyone know the price for fat new performance brakesystem?