E90 M3 or CSL, decisions decisions!! - Page 2

weedavey · 25-03-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jim76

I kinda feel as if I need newer now though. I've had 3 E46 M3's, and I know that a CSL is a completely different kettle of fish before I'm lynched, but the E92 is miles ahead I think, as an every day car. I would like a CSL if I had the money to keep it in the garage most of the time, I think the E92 might win this one people!!

E92 m3 saloon if i was in the car everyday. But only use car in nice weather on weekends so csl is where i want to be sitting come the weekend.

I do love the sound of the v8 though..

NZ_M3 · 25-03-2010, 11:55 PM

Well this is a csl forum, so you'll no doubt get unbiased opinions

The V8 will be thirsty on fuel ... very thirsty. In fact I often wonder how on earth BMW can ever claim that the new V8 was more economical than the inline 6

(I average 14.1l/100km vs the 11.8l/100km in the CSL - and I don't even track the V8!!) - really should qualify this with the fact that I do a lot of city driving - on the motorway it'll do less than 10l/100km)

The new M3 is one of those cars that the more you use it the more you'll like it. To me it really wasn't a fall in love with it straight away sort of a car, but it is one of those cars that is VERY EASY to live with on a day to day basis. So much so that I find myself missing some of the creature comforts when I step back into the CSL (bluetooth, awesome stereo - don't get the upgrade, the stock 10 speaker system actually sounds better than the 12 speaker system, sat nav ect ect)

It has plenty of if not way more grunt than the CSL and you really don't notice the weight in the car.

The engine really is the master piece helped by the compliant ride.

I'd say if you are not a hard out tracker, then the E9X M3 is the way to go - the value of these have some what stablised now and it'll be the last Naturally Aspirated "M" engine to be produced (next M3 is coming out with a twin turbo inline six) - and the lack of choice on the market at the moment means that people are starting to realise 'value' in the E9X M3.

Another thing to consider is age - the new E9X M3s (except for the DCT) have proven to be a rather reliable car without any major concerning issues, unlike the E46 chassis.

jim76 · 26-03-2010, 12:10 AM

I know, I should have known better than to ask on here about buying anything other than a CSL!!! Lol.

I was looking for some valued opinions from someone who has experienced both. Cheers.

NZ_M3 · 26-03-2010, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jim76

I know, I should have known better than to ask on here about buying anything other than a CSL!!! Lol.

I was looking for some valued opinions from someone who has experienced both. Cheers.

If I had absolutely no choice but to only get one car - it'll be the E92 M3 for me. Technology has advanced quite a bit since 2003 and truth be told I don't actually agree with Thorney's observation on the E9X chassis - our local BMW instructor's just bought a E92 M3 racecar and that thing is blizing everything else on the track at the moment in competitive events.

The E46 has had quite a number of years of track experience already and there's a lot of support and knowledge out there for it compared to the E9X - give it time and you'll start to see lot more E9X related components coming out - it'll run rings around the E46s in no time.

_Nathan_ · 26-03-2010, 12:26 AM

The e46 chassis really shows it's age IMO - it is just a small evolution of the e36 and the e9x and e87 feel like a huge jump in chassis stiffness to me, I imagine an e9x would provide a stunning platform for decent dampers to work their magic.

**DazBlackCSL** · 26-03-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by _Nathan_

The e46 chassis really shows it's age IMO - it is just a small evolution of the e36 and the e9x and e87 feel like a huge jump in chassis stiffness to me, I imagine an e9x would provide a stunning platform for decent dampers to work their magic.

+1 cant fight age ... no matter how im trying

Phatgixer · 26-03-2010, 12:43 AM

For the track (although E92 with pads is likely to as quick) and nice to have in garage - CSL

Everything else, E92 all the way. Much nicer day to day car.

**DazBlackCSL** · 26-03-2010, 12:45 AM

Eve PG

Nice to have someone else up late

Phatgixer · 26-03-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jim76

I know, I should have known better than to ask on here about buying anything other than a CSL!!! Lol.

I was looking for some valued opinions from someone who has experienced both. Cheers.

My current daily car is E92 M3 and is miles better than I ever expected. Looking better as time goes by, as well.

I replaced my CSL with a 996RS which is of course not an everyday shitter. CSLs are for occasional high days and not to be worn out on daily schleps to the office etc. Also, if they are set up nicely for track they are truly awful road cars! Handsome but bloody annoying on a journey.

E92 all the way for your needs I would say. And it is quite a bit faster on the road in the real world. 8,400rpm in a V8 is erectile!

kbird · 26-03-2010, 04:50 PM

Decided today to sell my CSL (details in For Sale section shortly) and my daily driver, an Audi V10 S6 and buy an E92 Saloon with the new Competition Pack. I will use it daily plus the the odd track day, looks like a good compromise?

25-03-2010, 11:55 PM	#12
NZ_M3 S5, Sport On, DSC M-track Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,434 Casino cash: $13579	Well this is a csl forum, so you'll no doubt get unbiased opinions The V8 will be thirsty on fuel ... very thirsty. In fact I often wonder how on earth BMW can ever claim that the new V8 was more economical than the inline 6 (I average 14.1l/100km vs the 11.8l/100km in the CSL - and I don't even track the V8!!) - really should qualify this with the fact that I do a lot of city driving - on the motorway it'll do less than 10l/100km) The new M3 is one of those cars that the more you use it the more you'll like it. To me it really wasn't a fall in love with it straight away sort of a car, but it is one of those cars that is VERY EASY to live with on a day to day basis. So much so that I find myself missing some of the creature comforts when I step back into the CSL (bluetooth, awesome stereo - don't get the upgrade, the stock 10 speaker system actually sounds better than the 12 speaker system, sat nav ect ect) It has plenty of if not way more grunt than the CSL and you really don't notice the weight in the car. The engine really is the master piece helped by the compliant ride. I'd say if you are not a hard out tracker, then the E9X M3 is the way to go - the value of these have some what stablised now and it'll be the last Naturally Aspirated "M" engine to be produced (next M3 is coming out with a twin turbo inline six) - and the lack of choice on the market at the moment means that people are starting to realise 'value' in the E9X M3. Another thing to consider is age - the new E9X M3s (except for the DCT) have proven to be a rather reliable car without any major concerning issues, unlike the E46 chassis. Last edited by NZ_M3; 26-03-2010 at 09:23 PM.

26-03-2010, 12:26 AM	#15
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	The e46 chassis really shows it's age IMO - it is just a small evolution of the e36 and the e9x and e87 feel like a huge jump in chassis stiffness to me, I imagine an e9x would provide a stunning platform for decent dampers to work their magic. __________________ Nathan

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Phatgixer S3 - On the open road Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 101 Casino cash: $649	For the track (although E92 with pads is likely to as quick) and nice to have in garage - CSL Everything else, E92 all the way. Much nicer day to day car. __________________ Loved my CSL. Was the faster grey one.

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26-03-2010, 04:50 PM	#20
kbird S3 - On the open road Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somerset Posts: 96 Casino cash: $2926	Decided today to sell my CSL (details in For Sale section shortly) and my daily driver, an Audi V10 S6 and buy an E92 Saloon with the new Competition Pack. I will use it daily plus the the odd track day, looks like a good compromise? Last edited by kbird; 26-03-2010 at 05:18 PM.

26-03-2010, 12:10 AM	#13
jim76 S3 - On the open road Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Glasgow Posts: 91 Casino cash: $539	I know, I should have known better than to ask on here about buying anything other than a CSL!!! Lol. I was looking for some valued opinions from someone who has experienced both. Cheers.