First Trackday

[Chad]

Bit of useless information,,don’t know if anybody remembers bmw used to spec some track brake pads for the csl ,,no longer available thanks for all the information tips

[select]

As far as i am concerned and according to the german M-forum they were nothing but rebranded Pagids RS 19's but with street legality in germany but with double the price tag

I would just buy them directly, i heard nothing but praise about the successor of the successor, called Pagid RSL.
I run RS29, so the successor of the RS19 since a couple years, they work very well with the stock calipers. However they are a bit noisy (squealing and rattling).

[phoenixcsl]

Originally Posted by CraigMillwardCroft

Just enjoy, once done you will be upgrading every thing.

SO true! I dread to think how many mods i've done to mine

[phoenixcsl]

Originally Posted by Chad

Dam Just checked tyres , they are contisportcont5 ssr255/35r19y 6mm tread on them,, ??any body used these and what are they like...they Came off my lads merc ,, seem to remember track experience I went on with my younger lad, c63 s used contisport. And seemed ok ??? Trying to save some pennies as I guess they will be trashed after,, was planning to fit them on bmw 10 double spoke wheels I got on car ,same size rear tire ,,

You'll be fine on those, I'd drop the pressures out of them and run them at something like 30psi hot.

You won't have the same grip as Cups or Cup2, and they will probably go off quicker, but you'll still have fun, just trash them and go home happy!

[Chad]

Originally Posted by phoenixcsl

You'll be fine on those, I'd drop the pressures out of them and run them at something like 30psi hot.

You won't have the same grip as Cups or Cup2, and they will probably go off quicker, but you'll still have fun, just trash them and go home happy!

thanks for advice. I will get these put on the wheels and try them this wk ,, see how they feel at 30 psi” ish. Hopefully get some new pilot sport or cups Really didn’t want to spend a fortune 1st track day. But also didn’t want to be on the edge, will do castrol srf brake fluid this wk ,, been looking at pads dam expensive ,, front and rear. Doesn’t seem any change from £500 Don’t think I’ll be doing these ,, ma have to just run normal new Textar street pads I already have this time, bed them in this wk with new fluid,see how they feel as noted other post don’t think I’ll be going for a lap record

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by Chad

thanks for advice. I will get these put on the wheels and try them this wk ,, see how they feel at 30 psi” ish. Hopefully get some new pilot sport or cups Really didn’t want to spend a fortune 1st track day. But also didn’t want to be on the edge, will do castrol srf brake fluid this wk ,, been looking at pads dam expensive ,, front and rear. Doesn’t seem any change from £500 Don’t think I’ll be doing these ,, ma have to just run normal new Textar street pads I already have this time, bed them in this wk with new fluid,see how they feel as noted other post don’t think I’ll be going for a lap record

I haven't been to Angelsy, so I don't know what it is like on brakes, but if you don't change the pads, it could potentially ruin your day. I once put in a brand new set of Pagid street pads in my S2000 (as I couldn't get RS29s in time, and the existing ones were getting low) and in the first 20 minutes of being on track at Bedford, they were down to 2mm off the backing plates (giving me some heart-stopping moments with the pedal going to the floor - despite the SRF fluid). Luckily I brought the worn RS29s with me and was able to fit those and finish the day with no issues.

So with road pads, you could find that your day would be cut dramatically short and would be a loss of the best part of the day where you were sitting on the sidelines WISHING you had fitted proper pads...... I can't express enough how braking on track is so much different than the road.

You can get extended life out of your investment by refitting the road pads for street use and only using the RS29s for track, but I find that I get so used to the braking performance of them, I can't bring myself to go backwards .

[phoenixcsl]

Chad,

Deffo do the pads, the standard ones are like chocolate, you'll probably get fade or ruin your discs with deposit as they will just smear.

If you can't stretch to RS29's then get the PFC (Performance Friction), they are a lot cheaper than the RS29 and a worthy upgrade over OEM pads.

They are cheap too:

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod1...46-M3--E36-M3/

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod1...1--Z4-M-COUPE/

Ferodo DS1.11 are as good as RS29, cheaper than RS29, but more expensive than PFC:

https://www.rosssport.com/Brands/FER...et-FERFCP1073W

[Chad]

Thanks again guys. Better get some decent pads then ,, I’m presuming are all good with oem disc’s. Q will track pads trash my new disc’s As old front disc’s are on the limit of wear ,, obviously would prefer to trash old disc’s,, I realise mike said kill old disc’s.. I’m taking onboard all this information and advice chaps thanks. Chad,,, Off to bank to check my bank balance

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by Chad

Thanks again guys. Better get some decent pads then ,, I’m pressuring are all good with oem disc’s. Q will track pads trash my new disc’s As old front disc’s are on the limit of wear ,, obviously would prefer to trash old disc’s,, I realise mike said kill old disc’s.. I’m taking onboard all this information and advice chaps thanks. Chad,,, Off to bank to check my bank balance

Defo kill the old discs if they are near the end of their life .

Regarding the PF pads, I have used them in the past and they are great (with one proviso). Do NOT under ANY circumstances leave the brake dust on the car / wheels to allow them to get wet and allow the dust to rust. They have a high metal content and will weld themselves on to the car/wheels, making it extremely difficult to remove . As soon as you get home, wash the brake dust off IMMEDIATELY.

[scoobs998]

Apologies Chad for the thread hijack but i am in a very similar boat!
First track day coming up on 17th Sept at Castle Combe and have Silverstone booked for 25th Nov.
My current brake setup is Front KSport big brake kit with EBC Bluestuff pads
Porsche/Brembo rear 4 pot caliper conversion. MPSS tyres fitted. Thoughts for my up coming days aprreciated also

Kev