Pagid RS14 or RS29 (on AP brakes)?

[shimmy]

rs14 are great pads but with rs4-2 at rear watch put for some squirreling on track as the back tries to overtake the front!

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by shimmy

rs14 are great pads but with rs4-2 at rear watch put for some squirreling on track as the back tries to overtake the front!

???
RS 14 black will be on the front and RS 4-4 orange (not 4-2) on the rears. Why would in your opinion the back try and overtake the front with this RS4-4 or RS4-2 on the back? Makes no sense! A car with a brake balance like you describe is something Pagid or other brake specialists would never advice. The RS4-4 is a less agressive pad then the RS14. RS 4-4 has less initial bite and is a pad that is used a lot as a rear pad in combination with RS 14.
http://www.pagid-brake-pads.co.uk/pr...rbon-based.php

[shane@mbtech]

Originally Posted by Franzino

???
RS 14 black will be on the front and RS 4-4 orange (not 4-2) on the rears. Why would in your opinion the back try and overtake the front with this RS4-4 or RS4-2 on the back? Makes no sense! A car with a brake balance like you describe is something Pagid or other brake specialists would never advice. The RS4-4 is a less agressive pad then the RS14. RS 4-4 has less initial bite and is a pad that is used a lot as a rear pad in combination with RS 14.
http://www.pagid-brake-pads.co.uk/pr...rbon-based.php

He read it on google

Sometimes the back not clamping down can cause it to lift and go light so a less braking rear can give the same effect as a rear end clamping and locking.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by lawsy

He read it on google

Sometimes the back not clamping down can cause it to lift and go light so a less braking rear can give the same effect as a rear end clamping and locking.

First time I hear about this effect... If this is the case why would Pagid advice me to use this set-up? Is asked which set-up gave the best brake balance and they advised the RS14/RS4-4 for my car and other BMW's. I'm now driving with RS4-2 all round on my full AP kit. With heavy braking I found that the ABS comes in faster then when I was driving with the original brake set-up.

The guys from Simpson Motorsport (UK) and other specialists have the same opinion;

On most BMWs you will find that the AP 4 pot caliper is a little large for the rear, and that a softer pad will generally work better in the rear with the APs.

[alexk]

Originally Posted by Franzino

First time I hear about this effect... If this is the case why would Pagid advice me to use this set-up? Is asked which set-up gave the best brake balance and they advised the RS14/RS4-4 for my car and other BMW's. I'm now driving with RS4-2 all round on my full AP kit. With heavy braking I found that the ABS comes in faster then when I was driving with the original brake set-up.

The guys from Simpson Motorsport (UK) and other specialists have the same opinion;

Maybe because they want to get rid of the stock of rear RS4-4
I run RS-14 front & back, all good here *** although I am not racing.

[c_w]

In my experience with my M Coupe the rear brakes do a fair amount of work, having similar sized rear vented discs as the front. I have run RS29 on the front and Carbon Lorraine RC6 (a much higher friction pad) and the braking felt excellent you could really feel the car stopping flat because of the slight increase in rear bias. I was worried about rear locking but it was great.

My recommendation would have been RS29, work very well hot or cold, last AGES, lowish dust and less likely to deposit than RS14.

[niall1]

Originally Posted by shimmy

rs14 are great pads but with rs4-2 at rear watch put for some squirreling on track as the back tries to overtake the front!

So what's the recommendation? The last time is was out on track in my car I experienced exactly that 'squirreling' sensation at the rear on heavy braking at the end of a straight. I had Pagid blue (?) pads front and rear. They were on the car when I bought it. I was about to order a set of new pads for a track day next month so is the recommendation for the CSL - RS14 (front) and RS4-4 (rear)?

[Tech@PFC]

Hello,

A lot CSL owners run the PFC.01 pads which have excellent track performance as well as good cold bite, we also offer a CSLR discount.

Which callipers do you have?

Regards,
Charlie

[pkumarm3]

Plus one

All porsche guys love the pagids, but i have been using pfc01 06 and now the 08 and absolutely love them. The numbers are related to the year of development. The higher the number the better the life and tech into the pad. I recall the 97s were quite harsh but bit like a wanker. But the 06 are great, not harsh, and longer lasting.

Great modulation, wear, and rotor kindness.

I am not affiliated with pfc. Just love their products!!!

Originally Posted by Tech@PFC

Hello,

We quite a few to CSL owners run the PFC.01 pads which have excellent track performance as well as good cold bite, we also offer a CSL owners club discount.

Which callipers do you have?

Regards,
Charlie

[Tech@PFC]

Originally Posted by pkumarm3

Plus one

All porsche guys love the pagids, but i have been using pfc01 06 and now the 08 and absolutely love them. The numbers are related to the year of development. The higher the number the better the life and tech into the pad. I recall the 97s were quite harsh but bit like a wanker. But the 06 are great, not harsh, and longer lasting.

Great modulation, wear, and rotor kindness.

I am not affiliated with pfc. Just love their products!!!

Glad to hear it, that's spot on