traction

[alexk]

Originally Posted by Mike R

Stick Cups on and then say the same . I have no issues with spinning tyres if it is provoked and expected, but this was the first time I had experienced the reason BMW made that form you had to sign before allowing you to have the car on these tyres LOL.

Mike I had cups on my csl since 2008.
You can ask Matt about our Alpine adventure with my csl on cups, snow and sub zero temperatures

[Trawler]

Originally Posted by 73CSL

Is anyone actually getting any traction out there at the moment ?

Any attempt of heavy throttle in 2nd and the rear tyres were spinning away / little yellow light flashing like mad . Running Vredestein's

Anyone running with Supersports ?

: )

I'm running MPSS & every winter I get wheel spin/arse out, even in 4th. Just need to take it easy. It's cold & there is all sorts of crap on the roads. I got wheel spin the other day in the wife's mini in 3rd gear running winter tyres when passing someone.

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by alexk

Mike I had cups on my csl since 2008.
You can ask Matt about our Alpine adventure with my csl on cups, snow and sub zero temperatures

Good times

I can confirm that the Zurich registered Cecil on the right was on Full Phat CUPs and driven in a hairy chested fashion
The only thing that stopped us from going any further was that pesky barrier

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by Trawler

I'm running MPSS & every winter I get wheel spin/arse out, even in 4th. Just need to take it easy. It's cold & there is all sorts of crap on the roads. I got wheel spin the other day in the wife's mini in 3rd gear running winter tyres when passing someone.

I blame your leaded right foot matey

[mattCSLnut]

Another CSL Alpine Adventure pic

[GregorJP]

A little story for everyone about traction and the winter.

Before I got my CSL, I had a 997 911. Before the 911, I had an E46 M3 that I loved more than life itself. Bought it at 20,000, ran it 'til 110,000. So why did I get the 911 in between and not stick with M3s?

Well...

One fine winter Saturday I was on my way with my wife and children to Homebase in Hatfield. By this time, I was very comfortable with my E46 M3 and, as a matter of course, switched off the traction before any journey. I always felt the traction control was too restrictive and the car was nice and predictable anyway. So, we come to the Welwyn Garden City roundabout (Shimmy will know it well) and I turn right to hit the dual carriageway to Hatfield.

At this point, my wife told me not to do my usual favourite trick, which is to attempt a nice drift round the roundabout. There was no traffic, but I listened anyway, and pottered around. I then hit the dual carriageway, a very straight stretch. Accelerate gently, second, third gear.

At about 60mph while accelerating, the revs rose very suddenly, the rear wheels spun up and the car jinked left towards the barrier. I tried to correct it. We then fishtailed right, left again, hard right and hit full lock and then we hit the barrier backwards on the rear driver's side. The car then slid a good 6 car lengths along the barrier, scraping the whole side of the car. £8k of damage. Most embarrassing.

After that, I thought I'd try the 911 given that I wasn't competent enough to handle the M3. I never drive CSL without the traction on in the winter and in fact have now tucked him up to hibernate.

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by GregorJP

A little story for everyone about traction and the winter.

Before I got my CSL, I had a 997 911. Before the 911, I had an E46 M3 that I loved more than life itself. Bought it at 20,000, ran it 'til 110,000. So why did I get the 911 in between and not stick with M3s?

Well...

One fine winter Saturday I was on my way with my wife and children to Homebase in Hatfield. By this time, I was very comfortable with my E46 M3 and, as a matter of course, switched off the traction before any journey. I always felt the traction control was too restrictive and the car was nice and predictable anyway. So, we come to the Welwyn Garden City roundabout (Shimmy will know it well) and I turn right to hit the dual carriageway to Hatfield.

At this point, my wife told me not to do my usual favourite trick, which is to attempt a nice drift round the roundabout. There was no traffic, but I listened anyway, and pottered around. I then hit the dual carriageway, a very straight stretch. Accelerate gently, second, third gear.

At about 60mph while accelerating, the revs rose very suddenly, the rear wheels spun up and the car jinked left towards the barrier. I tried to correct it. We then fishtailed right, left again, hard right and hit full lock and then we hit the barrier backwards on the rear driver's side. The car then slid a good 6 car lengths along the barrier, scraping the whole side of the car. £8k of damage. Most embarrassing.

After that, I thought I'd try the 911 given that I wasn't competent enough to handle the M3. I never drive CSL without the traction on in the winter and in fact have now tucked him up to hibernate.

Oooooooopps

Lucky the boys in blue didn't see, they are always toddling between the A1M and station at that roundabout.

[GregorJP]

On the contrary, the boys in blue did see - they were heading in the opposite direction on the dual carriageway when it happened. They put the lights on, whizzed round and blocked the road. They then greeted me as I emerged from the car, red-faced, holding what remained of my rear bumper which was 50 yards down the road.

In fairness, they were cool. They wrote an accident report up, but the most I ever heard about it was the council telling me my insurance company having to pay for damage to the barrier.

[mattCSLnut]

Originally Posted by GregorJP

A little story for everyone about traction and the winter.

One fine winter Saturday I was on my way with my wife and children to Homebase in Hatfield. By this time, I was very comfortable with my E46 M3 and, as a matter of course, switched off the traction before any journey. I always felt the traction control was too restrictive and the car was nice and predictable anyway. So, we come to the Welwyn Garden City roundabout (Shimmy will know it well) and I turn right to hit the dual carriageway to Hatfield.

At this point, my wife told me not to do my usual favourite trick, which is to attempt a nice drift round the roundabout. There was no traffic, but I listened anyway, and pottered around. I then hit the dual carriageway, a very straight stretch. Accelerate gently, second, third gear.

At about 60mph while accelerating, the revs rose very suddenly, the rear wheels spun up and the car jinked left towards the barrier. I tried to correct it. We then fishtailed right, left again, hard right and hit full lock and then we hit the barrier backwards on the rear driver's side. The car then slid a good 6 car lengths along the barrier, scraping the whole side of the car. £8k of damage. Most embarrassing.

After that, I thought I'd try the 911 given that I wasn't competent enough to handle the M3. I never drive CSL without the traction on in the winter and in fact have now tucked him up to hibernate.

I presume you were on normal summer tyres and ambient temps were near or below 7 deg C ? Sounds like you hit a stretch of black ice or diesel spill and got a tank slapper on.

[GregorJP]

Correct. It was a chilly day and I had my summer shoes on. But the killer issue was - I had the traction control off.