Non-CSL M3 - Who's owned one? - Page 2

Rutkowski · 07-10-2010, 09:58 AM

CSL is a special car and more so than a collection of different car parts.

You can compare performance of a modified M3 vs M3csl but it will always be a modified M3 vs M3csl if you get my drift....

I personally did not want to buy M3csl because i knew i'd basterdise it.... i like heated seats, rear blind and a quality sound from JL.

If i retrofitted any of these to a CSL, i'd then have to drop the 'L' from the badge.

For now - i am happy modifying my standard M3. I am retrofitting the competition package - including the suspension as it is revised and different from standard M3 plus some M3csl bits.

Another reason for not getting a CSL is because i do not want to be associated with a groupe of people, despised throughout the whole of the internet.............

..... more specifically - it's the Porsche driver's club, spreading anti - CSL propaganda........

Fck it - i'm buying M3 CSL next year.

jibm · 07-10-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

Are they!? I think they are still falling mate, if I'd waited until now to buy one then personally I would be a few K better off and I didn't get too bad a deal on the one I have now!

Granted they will always be more than a normal M3 obviously but I can't see it!?

I recon prices have been stable for about a year

and if you count in the fact that the average CSL that is used regularly has more miles on it. The have gone up in value

DuncanR · 07-10-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by titan

I really like the interior of the csl and will be less inclined to rip it all out and turn it into a shitter!

Oi !! I have feelings too you know !!! ....shitter indeed !

Craig · 07-10-2010, 01:40 PM

Facing facts, for a track car with TPO cover he won't be going for a CSL. Can take a £10k risk but not a £20k+ risk. Were not talking about buying a low mileage new M3, plan is an £8k 2001 car.

In my mind a standard e46 that has gone on a mild diet, fitted with KW V3's, 18" wheels with track rubber and a nice set of supporting seats should be a pretty capable car.

I just wondered if any of you guys had owned a non-CSL and could voice a true opinion.

Dan · 07-10-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

I just wondered if any of you guys had owned a non-CSL and could voice a true opinion.

Yes! See my first post on this thread

DuncanR · 07-10-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ_M3

Best base to start with would be a M3 CS - basically a CSL missing a couple of things.

You get bonus CSL parts like the headers/extractor, brakes, steering wheel, steering rack, CSL DSC module just to name a few. It's a CSL parts bin special if you like without the CSL price tag.

However, chances are your mate will end up "CSL"ing the new track car anyway ... so maybe best just to buy a CSL in the first place (rather than longing for that sexy airbox afterwards)

With regard to the steering rack, personally I would probably put up with an M3 one, easily available from the breakers. The CSL rack is about double the price (£950) of the std M3 one !! And regular tracking WILL see you needing one im sure.

titan · 09-10-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DuncanR

With regard to the steering rack, personally I would probably put up with an M3 one, easily available from the breakers. The CSL rack is about double the price (£950) of the std M3 one !! And regular tracking WILL see you needing one im sure.

How much of a job is it to swap out the rack on an M3?

Reason I ask is that "major" components like racks, clutches etc etc tends to be more about the labour costs than the item itself.

_Nathan_ · 09-10-2010, 10:48 AM

Rack is about a grand, then I think you need to recode DSC too.

NZ_M3 · 09-10-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

I just wondered if any of you guys had owned a non-CSL and could voice a true opinion.

I had 2 x E46 M3s (2001 and 2003 models) and they are capable cars even compared to the CSL.

As Shimmy mentioned, if you start with a CSL or even CS you are already a step ahead in terms of ripping weight out of the car (and then there are the already mentioned bonus parts).

Given a budget however, I'd start with a standard M3 - throw enough money at it and it'll out perform a stock CSL easily.

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Originally Posted by DuncanR

With regard to the steering rack, personally I would probably put up with an M3 one, easily available from the breakers. The CSL rack is about double the price (£950) of the std M3 one !! And regular tracking WILL see you needing one im sure.

That's a good point.

Don't forget that the CSL has different front hubs for that wider front track - if you are swapping out the rack I'd swap the CSL front hubs also.

Steviebee · 17-10-2010, 10:53 PM

Yeah,

I had a CS two and a half years ago, but never tracked it.

There was an M3 on Knockhill a few weeks ago with suspension upgrade and cut slicks. I couldn't get close! It was my first time out in the CSL and tbh, I'm not a 'Track Master' - far from it

, but I would certainly say you'll most def be quicker in a car that cost so much less!

Not digging std M3's! They are great cars, but the thought of binning my CSL always makes me tread on the side of caution!

Stevie

07-10-2010, 09:58 AM	#11
Rutkowski S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Poland/London Posts: 464 Casino cash: $4132	CSL is a special car and more so than a collection of different car parts. You can compare performance of a modified M3 vs M3csl but it will always be a modified M3 vs M3csl if you get my drift.... I personally did not want to buy M3csl because i knew i'd basterdise it.... i like heated seats, rear blind and a quality sound from JL. If i retrofitted any of these to a CSL, i'd then have to drop the 'L' from the badge. For now - i am happy modifying my standard M3. I am retrofitting the competition package - including the suspension as it is revised and different from standard M3 plus some M3csl bits. Another reason for not getting a CSL is because i do not want to be associated with a groupe of people, despised throughout the whole of the internet............. ..... more specifically - it's the Porsche driver's club, spreading anti - CSL propaganda........ Fck it - i'm buying M3 CSL next year. Last edited by Rutkowski; 07-10-2010 at 10:10 AM.

09-10-2010, 10:48 AM	#18
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	Rack is about a grand, then I think you need to recode DSC too. __________________ Nathan

07-10-2010, 01:40 PM	#14
Craig S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Guisborough Posts: 453 Casino cash: $4472	Facing facts, for a track car with TPO cover he won't be going for a CSL. Can take a £10k risk but not a £20k+ risk. Were not talking about buying a low mileage new M3, plan is an £8k 2001 car. In my mind a standard e46 that has gone on a mild diet, fitted with KW V3's, 18" wheels with track rubber and a nice set of supporting seats should be a pretty capable car. I just wondered if any of you guys had owned a non-CSL and could voice a true opinion.

17-10-2010, 10:53 PM	#20
Steviebee S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 65 Casino cash: $533	Yeah, I had a CS two and a half years ago, but never tracked it. There was an M3 on Knockhill a few weeks ago with suspension upgrade and cut slicks. I couldn't get close! It was my first time out in the CSL and tbh, I'm not a 'Track Master' - far from it , but I would certainly say you'll most def be quicker in a car that cost so much less! Not digging std M3's! They are great cars, but the thought of binning my CSL always makes me tread on the side of caution! Stevie