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[CraigMillwardCroft]

Nice to see you new making friends Shimmy

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by CraigMillwardCroft

Nice to see you new making friends Shimmy

Wasnt my aim to ailianate anybody.......



But I have a full friends quota (3 )

[Straightsix]

Originally Posted by shimmy

Just kidding.....

It's an easy thing to say but to be honest it doesn't make sense. It's like saying if you put a 1.6L Focus engine in a Ferrari Enzo, it won't go so fast, true but not really of any interest. The CSL came with Cups as a factory fitted choice and it came with an airbox and cams the same. Doesn't mean when you compare you should start swapping and deleting them.

oh ok i hear what u are saying. I thought Cups were options and pilot sports were standard but to be honest i cannot remember.

Yes but in the name of physics or science i was interested in how a standard CSL on pilot sports compared with a standard M3 on pilot sports or put both on cups and would like to know how much quicker the CSL is round the Nurburgring or any other race track?

Yes the CSL should be quicker but would be interesting to see how much.

Also i imagine (though i am not 100% on this) when the BMW M Engineers designed/developed/tested the CSL the handling/suspension/overall dynamics were designed specifically with the Pilot Sport Cups "particular" handling characteristics in mind....so maybe the CSL would not be 100% in the "sweet spot" when no Cups compared to with Cups if this makes any sense?

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by Straightsix

oh ok i hear what u are saying. I thought Cups were options and pilot sports were standard but to be honest i cannot remember.

Yes but in the name of physics or science i was interested in how a standard CSL on pilot sports compared with a standard M3 on pilot sports or put both on cups and would like to know how much quicker the CSL is round the Nurburgring or any other race track?

Yes the CSL should be quicker but would be interesting to see how much.

Also i imagine (though i am not 100% on this) when the BMW M Engineers designed/developed/tested the CSL the handling/suspension/overall dynamics were designed specifically with the Pilot Sport Cups "particular" handling characteristics in mind....so maybe the CSL would not be 100% in the "sweet spot" when no Cups compared to with Cups if this makes any sense?

Yes I think you would be correct on most of this but the benefits built into the CSL for the Ring do help on other tracks although perhaps to so big a benefit.

I'm not a Ring-man but plenty on here who re and can help

[AlexGTT]

Originally Posted by Straightsix

oh ok i hear what u are saying. I thought Cups were options and pilot sports were standard but to be honest i cannot remember.

Yes but in the name of physics or science i was interested in how a standard CSL on pilot sports compared with a standard M3 on pilot sports or put both on cups and would like to know how much quicker the CSL is round the Nurburgring or any other race track?

Yes the CSL should be quicker but would be interesting to see how much.

Also i imagine (though i am not 100% on this) when the BMW M Engineers designed/developed/tested the CSL the handling/suspension/overall dynamics were designed specifically with the Pilot Sport Cups "particular" handling characteristics in mind....so maybe the CSL would not be 100% in the "sweet spot" when no Cups compared to with Cups if this makes any sense?

You seem to overlook one very significant factor.............weight. Straight line there's nothing much in it. Make it fun, introduce corners and the CSL comes alive. It's not just the Cups. It's the confidence and feel of the car. It inspires and makes going that little bit faster everywhere so much easier than a full fat M3. Look at the ring time of the GTS compared to CSL. Weight is the enemy.

And yes, Cups were OEM on the CSL but you could option PS2's.........if you were pussy.

[Straightsix]

Originally Posted by AlexGTT

You seem to overlook one very significant factor.............weight. Straight line there's nothing much in it. Make it fun, introduce corners and the CSL comes alive. It's not just the Cups. It's the confidence and feel of the car. It inspires and makes going that little bit faster everywhere so much easier than a full fat M3. Look at the ring time of the GTS compared to CSL. Weight is the enemy.

And yes, Cups were OEM on the CSL but you could option PS2's.........if you were pussy.

Nice thanks for explaining

[AlexGTT]

Originally Posted by Straightsix

Nice thanks for explaining

Out of interest, have you driven a CSL yet?

[Straightsix]

Originally Posted by AlexGTT

Out of interest, have you driven a CSL yet?

I have only ever driven one CSL and that was in 2010 which was being sold via Nick Johnson. I did not buy it because there were things i was not happy with.

I would really love to have a CSL but tbh i just think there are few really good ones out there.

I dont have the experience u guys have driving them and if i am honest i think i could have done with a longer test driveto appreciate the engineering differences between a CSL and regular E46 M3 Coupe (which i have plenty of experience of). They are bloody quick though....well when i swapped seats with Nick Johnson i meant and he was showing me what it could do round his back roads....

[O'Neill]

The EVO time compared to shimmys was a bit compromised due to:

1. He had a passenger

2. Weather looked cold and damp

3. No cup tyres

4. Probably first time driving the car/not getting the most out of it.

5. Clutch slur

6. He was sliding around a bit/ probably show boating to blonde passenger/ having fun

All this taken in to account he probably could have went a few seconds quicker, a couple more with mods

[shimmy]

Tbh a fit blond would have made me go faster......