:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

:smt055 hope you lift

Wait and see :whistle:

My money is on a big lift :hahaha:

That's funny because once I viewed a 54 Plate car from Nick Johnson in 2010 and had a test drive and I was keeping my foot planted in the upshifts but he kept telling me to lift. Then when we swapped seats so he could show me what it really could do (I was a little cautious) he was lifting off the throttle during the upshifts apparently takes some of the thump out and maybe (not sure on this) improves clutch life ????

Though I quite enjoy the full bore no lift upshifts to be honest and if BMW says that is how it is meant to be then so be it

Rumors say Nick J. is an expert in breaking apart CSLs.

If you start lifting the SMG ECU starts to adapt and then will slip like crazy and then destroy your clutch.
That's why the manual says 'don't lift unless you're gay' (no offense to the gay, the cslregister is not supporting any racism or discrimination :blalalala:).

The SMGII seems pretty simple to drive and the brutal full bore upshifts just adds to the excitement whether in a regular M3 or M3 CSL so I don't really know what the fuss seems to be about .... Except when u can't give it the beans I do find myself missing a manual

That's pretty much what he told me too, but I wasn't aware of the "no need to lift" statement in the manual nor the strength of "no lifting" policy on here. The CSL's been laid up for the winter since I've learned the error of my ways & I can't wait for some good weather to get out & see what's like full on.

I would like to add something here.

When you drive a manual around town shifting at 2000 or 2500, you normally do nice and slow shifts.
You don't shift very fast right ?
The same is with the SMG.
If you drive slowly, it's good to change the shift speed to a lower level.
If you drive fast, you need to have higher shift speed. Like you would do on a manual... you would shift fast.

I think that's quite basic stuff. After all, it's a manual with servos.

When driving through town or slow to work etc I run the box on just two bars & like you suggested change smoothly as poss.

Do most use the paddles or the stick? i cant remeber the last time I used the stick or the auto mode

Also I think even if u are in S5 if u are driving slowly the shifts tend to be slower than if u are accelerating hard does this tally with ur experience ?

Never bothered with auto. Usually I am in S3 - S5. Prefer using paddles though I like the lever too makes u feel a bit like in a rally car.

The CSL brochure has graphs of shift times in different modes.
I haven't seen there a parameter for engine rpm.
I am not sure if the engine rpm is being taken into account to be honest.
It feels slower in lower rpm but I can't be sure.

As a side note I have checked in the telemetry the shift times between S4 and S6.
There is a significant difference.
In S6 you see the acceleration to continue in < 100ms.
So the shift time of 80ms in S6 is real.

PS : many people have told me that they shift faster with a clutch and a stick than the SMG II does in S6.
I say bollocks... unless you have a sequential racing gearbox.

I was going to say this is all from memory when my old man had a 2004 E46 M3 Coupe SMGII Drive Logic from 2004-2007 because I don't currently own a M3 CSL. But the shifts in S5 felt faster when under hard acceleration than slow acceleration so I would imagine would be the same for the CSL though someone will have to confirm or deny this :-) ?

Sorry to break-up the SMG chat but thought I had better let you guys know I survived Goodwood!

Had a really good afternoon down there, helped by the fact there were only eight other cars running. I took on board all the warnings about it being an unforgiving circuit and just built-up slowly. All the signage around the track helped a lot in terms of knowing what to do where. I wasn't going for any peak speeds but I certainly went faster by the end of the session. It was pretty intense though. I'm not sure I would have wanted to do a whole day.

The only grumble was the brakes! I think better pads might be necessary, even for Alpine road driving I would have thought.

It wasn't the most exciting circuit but probably a good, quiet session to get a feel for open-pit lane events. I can't say that the experience has left me hooked and eager to get back on track immediately (unlike when I drove the Nurburgring and wished I had planned to stay longer), but it has left me with an appetite for a road trip in the CSL. I reckon next time I do a track day I will aim go to a more technical circuit and take my Renaultsport Clio 182 for a good thrash and see how that goes, just for the sake of diversity.

Anyway, cheers for the advice. And thanks to Plumber Vic for coming to say "hello" and chat about CSLs.

Only ever use the stick when turning left or right from stand-still to change from 1st to 2nd gear. Paddles all the way other than that :thumbs:

I always use S3 from cold start-up, and work my way up to S5/S6 as the gear-box warms up. I have no mechanical knowledge that dictates this is the correct thing to do though, just seems more "sympathetic", so would be interested in hearing others' opinions

im s atront beliver in leaving the gear setting at max !!!

when i used to mess about with the setting when driving slower i found it would induce clutch slur when wanting to push the car to the limit and there is nothing more annoying than that !!!!

:bigcry:

that word is strong beliver by the way !!!!

Good to hear you made it home safe! brakes wise... do you run standard set up? if so what pads? i ran standard with DS2500 pads and was advised to go AP's with RS29's.. superb.

If you dont want to go the AP route just changing the pads to RS29's will make a big difference :beer:

In stock brakes I would only put RS14.
The RS29 are extremely noisy !

Is that not all part of the beast you drive :whistle:

Well... I found it extremely annoying as well as embarrassing