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DuncanR 16-11-2011 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla (Post 102863)
As regards your other churlish nonsense I will just put that down to the time of the month.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Thats more like it ... now we are getting along nicely !!:hahaha:

Bounce 16-11-2011 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuncanR (Post 102864)
Thats more like it ... now we are getting along nicely !!:hahaha:

:hahaha::hahaha:Im ready for the next round:axe:

Yanto 16-11-2011 10:17 PM

:smt024 V :smt024 = :smt071

= :smt018

:weedman::weedman::weedman:

X :smt033:smt033:smt033
+ :drinkers::drinkers::drinkers:

= :smt056:smt056:smt056

+ :smt054:smt054:smt054

= :beer:

Merry Xmas :smt114

:thumbs:

shane@mbtech 16-11-2011 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanto (Post 102873)
:smt024 V :smt024 = :smt071

= :smt018

:weedman::weedman::weedman:

X :smt033:smt033:smt033
+ :drinkers::drinkers::drinkers:

= :smt056:smt056:smt056

+ :smt054:smt054:smt054

= :beer:

Merry Xmas :smt114

:thumbs:


Fuck me, E=MC2 was easier:hahaha:

cantfind1 17-11-2011 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanto (Post 102873)
:smt024 V :smt024 = :smt071

= :smt018

:weedman::weedman::weedman:

X :smt033:smt033:smt033
+ :drinkers::drinkers::drinkers:

= :smt056:smt056:smt056

+ :smt054:smt054:smt054

= :beer:

Merry Xmas :smt114

:thumbs:

Pissing myself laughing!:thumbs:

cantfind1 17-11-2011 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla (Post 102863)
Hi,

Cantfind1- your basing your views on your
own experince.

I will say yet again that I have yet to see any
oil deposits in the small catch tank fitted to my E30 M3
, S54 Engine, over 4 years ago.

The Carbon Plenum on my CSL is dry, no
oil deposits. no vapours etc.

Therefore maybe your car has worn Valve
stem seals or guides and in experincing oil
blow by, your Airbox is in your words, ''Coated
in Carbon and Oil deposits''.

Mine is not.

As regards your other churlish nonsense I will just
put that down to the time of the month.

Regards,

The Gorilla.


I think it is you who is basing your views on your own experience as you seem to keep talking about your e30 M3 with an S54 engine!

Which, magically does not have any blow by?? Unlike every other engine built in the history of the world!?? Do a search on here about dirty throttle butterflies and trumpets and the rest.....go on any turbo forum and see how blow by affects their engines/turbos......

Yes I am sure when I rebuilt my engine with ARP Head bolts, conrod bolts, new valve seals, clamshell bearings, schrick cams, new pistons and rings the list goes on....that's probably why I am experiencing blow by your right. My mistake....:whistle:

Blow-by is caused when a combustion in the engine forces fuel, air, and moisture past the piston rings and into the crankcase/sump. From there, the blow-by is released by the crank case vents and back into the intake pipe. Hence why the breather tube is attached to the crankase breather valve, surprised you seem to think it comes from worn valve seals, with all your knowledge.

And as for it being my time of the month, it seems you assume that I am a male and that that would be an insult...... what it in fact shows is that you are chauvinistic and sexist and I am sure CSLgirl will be along shortly to set you straight and take a piece out of you as well for that matter!

By the way you don't need to sign your name at the end of each of your posts we can see who has written it!:smokin:

cantfind1 17-11-2011 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bounce (Post 102868)
:hahaha::hahaha:Im ready for the next round:axe:

Ding Ding!!:thumbs:

The Gorilla 17-11-2011 09:41 AM

Hi,

Quote-

''I think it is you who is basing your views on your own experience as you seem to keep talking about your e30 M3 with an S54 engine!

Which, magically does not have any blow by?? Unlike every other engine built in the history of the world!?? Do a search on here about dirty throttle butterflies and trumpets and the rest.....go on any turbo forum and see how blow by affects their engines/turbos......

Yes I am sure when I rebuilt my engine with ARP Head bolts, conrod bolts, new valve seals, clamshell bearings, schrick cams, new pistons and rings the list goes on....that's probably why I am experiencing blow by your right. My mistake....

Blow-by is caused when a combustion in the engine forces fuel, air, and moisture past the piston rings and into the crankcase/sump. From there, the blow-by is released by the crank case vents and back into the intake pipe. Hence why the breather tube is attached to the crankase breather valve, surprised you seem to think it comes from worn valve seals, with all your knowledge.

And as for it being my time of the month, it seems you assume that I am a male and that that would be an insult...... what it in fact shows is that you are chauvinistic and sexist and I am sure CSLgirl will be along shortly to set you straight and take a piece out of you as well for that matter!

By the way you don't need to sign your name at the end of each of your posts we can see who has written it! ''


Cantfind1- Worn Valve guides will
cause engine blow by.

See, I was sure it was all your female
hormones that were at conflict, playing on your insecurties.

Confirmed in your last sentence where you
now write ''we'' as opposed 'i''.

I am guessing that your the 'self elected'
spokeperson for this 'Group' your referring to,
ie ''Mouthpiece''.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

rstoughy 17-11-2011 10:44 AM

So,

reading between the lines then :bigcry: :bigcry:
  • catch tank = No
  • Oil separator = Good idea (to keep clean trumpets)
Or just a good old dicht with a cloot once a year ;)

cantfind1 17-11-2011 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla (Post 102889)
Hi,

Quote-

''I think it is you who is basing your views on your own experience as you seem to keep talking about your e30 M3 with an S54 engine!

Which, magically does not have any blow by?? Unlike every other engine built in the history of the world!?? Do a search on here about dirty throttle butterflies and trumpets and the rest.....go on any turbo forum and see how blow by affects their engines/turbos......

Yes I am sure when I rebuilt my engine with ARP Head bolts, conrod bolts, new valve seals, clamshell bearings, schrick cams, new pistons and rings the list goes on....that's probably why I am experiencing blow by your right. My mistake....

Blow-by is caused when a combustion in the engine forces fuel, air, and moisture past the piston rings and into the crankcase/sump. From there, the blow-by is released by the crank case vents and back into the intake pipe. Hence why the breather tube is attached to the crankase breather valve, surprised you seem to think it comes from worn valve seals, with all your knowledge.

And as for it being my time of the month, it seems you assume that I am a male and that that would be an insult...... what it in fact shows is that you are chauvinistic and sexist and I am sure CSLgirl will be along shortly to set you straight and take a piece out of you as well for that matter!

By the way you don't need to sign your name at the end of each of your posts we can see who has written it! ''


Cantfind1- Worn Valve guides will
cause engine blow by.

See, I was sure it was all your female
hormones that were at conflict, playing on your insecurties.

Confirmed in your last sentence where you
now write ''we'' as opposed 'i''.

I am guessing that your the 'self elected'
spokeperson for this 'Group' your referring to,
ie ''Mouthpiece''.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

I think you need to do some reading! Definition of Blow by is that the gases blow by the pistons.

And if you can t come up with better insults than a 5 year old you really shouldn't bother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankca...ilation_system

mattCSLnut 17-11-2011 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantfind1 (Post 102891)
I think you need to do some reading! Definition of Blow by is that the gases blow by the pistons.

And if you can t come up with better insults than a 5 year old you really shouldn't bother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankca...ilation_system

Game, Set and Match ;) :hahaha:
... so where's the best place to get one of them "Go Faster" oil catch tanks ? :whistle:

DuncanR 17-11-2011 12:22 PM

Sitting on tut fence here.... and not wishing to get into the semantics of "blow-by" ... are you not both correct, in that the normal definition for blow-by is indeed caused as cantfind1 says, and who will argue with wiki ! ... but on the other hand, as Gorilla alludes to, said gases as a result of the nature of the engine plumbing could also blow by the valve stem seals :smt102 ... feel the love:smt055



Oh yeah ... @ Ian aka Yanto ... love that post, where did you find the 4 hours to put that together mate ????:hahaha:

The Gorilla 17-11-2011 01:09 PM

Hi,


Extract -

''13. Worn Valve Stems and Guides
When wear has taken place on valve stems and valve guides, the vacuum in the intake manifold will draw oil and oil vapor between the intake valve stems and guides, into the intake manifold and then into the cylinder where it will be burned. If this condition is not corrected when new piston rings are installed, an engine is likely to use more oil than it did before because the new piston rings will increase the vacuum in the intake manifold. When gum or deposits on the valve stems are removed – a procedure recommended when overhauling an engine – the seal previously formed will be removed and leakage will be more pronounced. This is particularly true on overhead valve engines where loss of oil may occur on the exhaust valves as well as on the intake valves. High oil consumption caused by too much valve guide clearance can frequently be cured by reaming or nerraling the valve stem. In some cases new valves may also be required. Use of a permanently bonded valve stem seal will give added insurance against oil leakage on complete engine overhauls or on valve jobs.

Cantfind1- have a read you might learn something.

Might also explain why you have oil contamination in
your CSL Plenum and I do not.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

DuncanR 17-11-2011 01:14 PM

Like I said ! ;)

Yanto 17-11-2011 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuncanR (Post 102900)
Sitting on tut fence here.... and not wishing to get into the semantics of "blow-by" ... are you not both correct, in that the normal definition for blow-by is indeed caused as cantfind1 says, and who will argue with wiki ! ... but on the other hand, as Gorilla alludes to, said gases as a result of the nature of the engine plumbing could also blow by the valve stem seals :smt102 ... feel the love:smt055



Oh yeah ... @ Ian aka Yanto ... love that post, where did you find the 4 hours to put that together mate ????:hahaha:

the best I can offer to this section of the forum mate - unless someone need to know where go fast/go slow pedals are :smokin:

northernjim 17-11-2011 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanto (Post 102873)
:smt024 V :smt024 = :smt071

= :smt018

:weedman::weedman::weedman:

X :smt033:smt033:smt033
+ :drinkers::drinkers::drinkers:

= :smt056:smt056:smt056

+ :smt054:smt054:smt054

= :beer:

Merry Xmas :smt114

:thumbs:


:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::thumbs::smt055:beer:

rstoughy 17-11-2011 01:55 PM

Yeah but which is best?

Blow By the piston rings OR Blow By the Valve stems??????

There's only one way to find out ;)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Hill_fight.jpg

shane@mbtech 17-11-2011 04:23 PM

Is there vacuum in a Csl carbon air box?


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla (Post 102904)
Hi,


Extract -

''13. Worn Valve Stems and Guides
When wear has taken place on valve stems and valve guides, the vacuum in the intake manifold will draw oil and oil vapor between the intake valve stems and guides, into the intake manifold and then into the cylinder where it will be burned. If this condition is not corrected when new piston rings are installed, an engine is likely to use more oil than it did before because the new piston rings will increase the vacuum in the intake manifold. When gum or deposits on the valve stems are removed – a procedure recommended when overhauling an engine – the seal previously formed will be removed and leakage will be more pronounced. This is particularly true on overhead valve engines where loss of oil may occur on the exhaust valves as well as on the intake valves. High oil consumption caused by too much valve guide clearance can frequently be cured by reaming or nerraling the valve stem. In some cases new valves may also be required. Use of a permanently bonded valve stem seal will give added insurance against oil leakage on complete engine overhauls or on valve jobs.

Cantfind1- have a read you might learn something.

Might also explain why you have oil contamination in
your CSL Plenum and I do not.

Regards,

The Gorilla.


_Nathan_ 17-11-2011 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lawsy (Post 102914)
Is there vacuum in a Csl carbon air box?

Yes, if you look hard you can see it.

DuncanR 17-11-2011 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_ (Post 102915)
Yes, if you look hard you can see it.

rofl Quality mate ... you been drinkin !!!!?? miss ya !:hahaha:

_Nathan_ 17-11-2011 08:40 PM

Not yet, missus has gone to the shops for Peroni though :D

Yanto 17-11-2011 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_ (Post 102915)
Yes, if you look hard you can see it.

:smt043

shimmy 17-11-2011 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_ (Post 102915)
Yes, if you look hard you can see it.

Nath

Even my mrs laughed at that one.........:hahaha:

mattCSLnut 17-11-2011 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_ (Post 102915)
Yes, if you look hard you can see it.

:hahaha: :thumbs: :hahaha:

sailorbaz 17-11-2011 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_ (Post 102915)
Yes, if you look hard you can see it.

A beauty, very good Nathan :thumbs:

A bit of lighthearted humour before the heavy, technical stuff begins again... :hahaha:

mattCSLnut 17-11-2011 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailorbaz (Post 102935)
A beauty, very good Nathan :thumbs:

A bit of lighthearted humour before the heavy, technical stuff begins again... :hahaha:

That's what I'd call an antidote :bigcry: ;)

cantfind1 18-11-2011 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla (Post 102904)
Hi,


Extract -

''13. Worn Valve Stems and Guides
When wear has taken place on valve stems and valve guides, the vacuum in the intake manifold will draw oil and oil vapor between the intake valve stems and guides, into the intake manifold and then into the cylinder where it will be burned. If this condition is not corrected when new piston rings are installed, an engine is likely to use more oil than it did before because the new piston rings will increase the vacuum in the intake manifold. When gum or deposits on the valve stems are removed – a procedure recommended when overhauling an engine – the seal previously formed will be removed and leakage will be more pronounced. This is particularly true on overhead valve engines where loss of oil may occur on the exhaust valves as well as on the intake valves. High oil consumption caused by too much valve guide clearance can frequently be cured by reaming or nerraling the valve stem. In some cases new valves may also be required. Use of a permanently bonded valve stem seal will give added insurance against oil leakage on complete engine overhauls or on valve jobs.

Cantfind1- have a read you might learn something.

Might also explain why you have oil contamination in
your CSL Plenum and I do not.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Is this an extract you made up yourself? Did you ever go to university?? Where is it from??

I am not doubting that worn valve stems will let some gas escape, however lets compare the size of a piston to a valve stem, which one is bigger Primate, or are you not evolved enough to work that out yet, you know square peg round hole and all that?!

90% of an engines blow by comes from passing by the piston rings and they do not have to be worn for this to happen it just happens whatever the state of the bores or the piston rings.

The reason why this gas is worse than the gas that passes by the valve stems is that

1 There is a lot more of it.

2 It passes straight down into the crankcase and mixes with oil fumes.

Valve stem seal gas escape is negligible and is basically exhaust gas, ie no oil vapour!


By the way you are right I have learnt something reading that.....You have absolutely no idea what you are on about!

cantfind1 18-11-2011 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawsy (Post 102914)
Is there vacuum in a Csl carbon air box?

I think you already know the answer to that one mate.....:smokin:

The Gorilla 18-11-2011 10:27 AM

Hi,

Cantfind1- funny how when something contradicts
what Cantfind1 says, its dismissed or you spout
its made up, simply remarkable.

Worn exhaust valve guides can allow
excessive oil to pass by so its not just
''Gases'' as you allude to.

Size of the piston has nothing to do it with,
if you were running total seal intermeadiate
Rings but had worn valve guides /stem seals, the blow
by from the valve train would far more
excessive than the combustion chamber.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

cantfind1 18-11-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the gorilla (Post 102971)
hi,

cantfind1- funny how when something contradicts
what cantfind1 says, its dismissed or you spout
its made up, simply remarkable.

Worn exhaust valve guides can allow
excessive oil to pass by so its not just
''gases'' as you allude to.

Size of the piston has nothing to do it with,
if you were running total seal intermeadiate
rings but had worn valve guides /stem seals, the blow
by from the valve train would far more
excessive than the combustion chamber.


Regards,

the gorilla.

yeah no one is running that!!!

And if they were then they wouldn't have worn valve guides because if they were that smart to fit new rings in the first place they would have checked the guides!!!

Fuck me!

shane@mbtech 18-11-2011 09:02 PM

Get a room you two.

BTW in a quest to prove eachother wrong, one of you is contradicting what you wrote earlier- I will leave you guys to work out who;)

Yanto 18-11-2011 09:19 PM

Can you pm a pic of your man veg to each other and be done :thumbs:

sailorbaz 18-11-2011 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanto (Post 103020)
Can you pm a pic of your man veg to each other and be done :thumbs:

Man veg? A belter indeed, :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Bounce 18-11-2011 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanto (Post 103020)
Can you pm a pic of your man veg to each other and be done :thumbs:

:hahaha::hahaha:

The Gorilla 19-11-2011 10:51 AM

Hi,

I do not believe I have contradicted myself
but if I have I apologize.

The reason why I got a little more 'excited'
than us Chilled Primates usually do was that
engine blow by can be caused for various
reasons. Its well documented.

While I enjoy good Technical debate as you
always learn something, hopefully, the introduction
of unrelated issues served no purpose and
one always wonders about the motive.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

shimmy 19-11-2011 11:04 AM

I'm lost

Could someone provide a brief technical update of where we are?:thumbs:

shane@mbtech 19-11-2011 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy (Post 103056)
I'm lost

Could someone provide a brief technical update of where we are?:thumbs:

A guy from down under and a hairy mammal where discussing blowing eachother off:smt008

shimmy 19-11-2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawsy (Post 103059)
A guy from down under and a hairy mammal where discussing blowing eachother off:smt008


was lubricant involved?

Bounce 19-11-2011 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy (Post 103056)
I'm lost

Could someone provide a brief technical update of where we are?:thumbs:

3 rounds to 2,one of them needs a knockout to win.;):thumbs:

Yanto 19-11-2011 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimmy (Post 103056)
I'm lost

Could someone provide a brief technical update of where we are?:thumbs:

yellow light went on
yellow light went off
view 1 presented
view 2 presented
handbags came out
the earth stopped on its axis
Yanto swooped in and injected sanity into thread
the earth began spining on axis
birds sang and the sun shone again, children played in the street. DuNc used correct CAps LoCk.
We all high fived and moved onto a new thread.

:thumbs:


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