You're right, apologies, I didn't get my point across as effectively as I could of. I was, or should of been, expressing concern with the difficulties in finding someone to sell me a car. You're def right that there is a huge demand for these cars. I just wonder whether this demand is from those who actually want a car to drive or an investment... Suppose it doesn't matter to sellers as they get too dollars for a great car.

CSL makes a great daily. I have taken the BMW over a manual car if I thought the traffic would be bad. Waste of talent, but I'll take easy.

MC.

PS. I hear loads of bad things said about SMG. The only one I havec driven is the CSL. Is the standard version so bad?

To answer the question about buying a car as an investment. I was 50/50 when I bought mine. Prices were on the up and there was nowhere else to put your money. After over a thousand miles in the car you can prise it out of my cold dead hands. If I could have one car, this would be it :)

MC

No probs :beer:, and I do take your point too. I think CSLs are definitely being marketed by the specialist dealers more towards investors than drivers now, as the blurb nearly always talks about the potential for growth in value. Such is the sad part of this current market

Even the latest car mag Modern Classics is full of "investment opportunities" in their articles

I have to agree.

Nothing comes close to the csl in the same price bracket.....but this is quickly vanishing as the CSL marches ever closer toward GT3 values.

a good GT3 is getting on for another £20K on top though

As I've mentioned before, I'm thinking of getting another aircooled Porsche to go alongside my others but I will need to sell the CSL , but for £40K or less I'm struggling to find anything I'd want. In the current market the CSL is well priced.

Of course I'm now in the situation of thinking if I sell now , will I kick myself next year if prices are firmer again ?

I'm sorry to interject here but what's mileage really got to do with anything ?
While I'm not trying to defend that particular CSL, I am still a proud an owner of a 91K miles CSL that will put other cars (CSLs included) half it's mileage to shame, on condition & provenance in equal measure... and if you don't believe me, just ask the guys @ Bartlett :smokin:

I'm sorry to say this but this mileage obsession is very childish, an idiotic tool used by lazy car dealers to knock values of good cars to create an easy profit margin and its mentality harlks right back to the bitter days of British Layland were cars literarly exploded as they approched the 100K barrier :hahaha: ... if they actually ever managed to get near that figure ;)

FYI Matt... this is one and the same car that was £39K and now available with DAT "Dealer Added Tax" ;)

Blimey Matt

Did you have 3 shredded wheat this morning.

A full bill of health signed off by Bartletts is what people want.

Agreed Billy

This is in conjunction with a realistic and achievable value of the car.

^^This is the point^^ The problem is the difference in what buyers and sellers deem an achievable value :hahaha:

:hahaha: :hahaha: ... 4 actually :-D

I am in agreement with you! But there is no escaping that the market considers price a big factor. There is correlation in asking price vs price. It make not make sense, and it might be dealers playing a game, but it happens.

I accept that my 65k car with perfect history, SS exhaust and APs is worth less than my 34k example.

Regarding the 39k car I meant mileage. It has been up for some time. If it hasn't there must be something suspicious about it.

Matt

you're the proud owner of 2?

Lucky B*****d ;)

I can't imagine owning a CSL and not driving it. The value of your investment may go down as well as up, but you're a long time dead.

Bloody well said

:thumbs:

Tell me about it

All the ones I've looked at had issues

Given up now looking at 1Ms or new Focus RS :thumbs:

Yep a valuable low mileage one and a worthless high mileage one haha :banghead:

Feeling guilty that they hardly move. Got a 250 mile trip planned for one tomorrow. Can't wait!

That has standard m3 front discs on. Clear from the pics.
I have had a few messages regarding this car, when I had it in for a post purchase inspection there were a few issues found.
Some issues were remedied but others were not.

It's not a bad car, interior was tidy, it drove nice. Boot floor had small cracks which is now repaired and plated. I would have bought it, so it's certainly not a bad car, but the price would have to reflect any remedial works required.

But my advice to any buyer of any CSL is to have a leak down test done on any prospective car. Comp test might be ok, but leak down will show any issues that might not be apparent whilst driving or on comp test.

Agreed

Compression test without a simultaneous leak down check would give next to no assurance.

The car I commented about showed decent compression but leak down across cyl 5-6 was bad. I would still buy it at the right price

You own a feckin garage!

Bet you would buy a lame horse ?

:hahaha:

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

I remember, you were the chap looking for the 'holy grail'? Lance?

Yes, this is my old car. And yes, the bumper, wing, and door hadn't had the Rolls Royce of repairs / paint. But, the buyer of this car had a full inspection done on it and there was no evidence or proof of big accident damage. FFS it could of been damaged by a supermarket trolley in the car park!! People get too hung up on finding the 'perfect' car. It never exists. The CSL was a car that was well known for being 'used', 'tracked'. They were cheap as chips at one time - people bought them to use them, not to wrap them up in cotton wool (like they are now). It's been said many times - if in doubt, have an inspection done. Tyre-kicker Lance would of been £10k+ up now if he was 'serious' about owning a CSL. The engine had been fully rebuilt by BMW at a cost of nearly £20k. Warranty - Yes. Bootfloor repair - yes. FSH - yes. Receipts for £kkkk's - yes. Low owners - yes. Above average condition - definitely. Why did i sell? - GT4 arriving in November!

Anyway, effing great car the CSL was. Sadly didn't get to use mine much as it was down at Elms BMW in most of my ownership. Come on BMW, sort the fucking parts supply issues out!! This wouldn't happen in any other premium brand.

Oh, and good luck to the dealer who now has the car, and also to anyone that buys this car. If it really chomps yer sausage, get the front resprayed!

Bit of advice Lance - stop talking boll0x about other peoples cars and go buy something. Lifes too short.


Take care all

Heeee heeee !!
Well said man.
It's a car. Drive it enjoy it. If not perfect fix it up.. It's part of the bonding element and making the car yours. !!
Mine is in the for sale section and will be going this weekend. It's pending the report from Bartletts.
I have had people banging on about stone chips and kerbed alloys(not a mark on them)
Honestly it's a car meant to be driven, if u want an investment buy gold bullion or diamonds or art !!

I saw two CSL's at Barletts this morning. Mine and maybe yours?

Yes dropped mine off yesterday. Fresh oil service from elms and paint done under warranty. Enjoyed the blast down.. Seriously having second thoughts as they dropped me off at the station and drove it off. Looked :smt055

Im there Sat also.

Excellent post chap!

Refreshing to read!!

Isn't it strange how potential owners looking @ £50K csl's quibble about minor cosmetic imperfections that can be professionally restored for a fraction of the car's value.

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: ... and so true. U just can't please some people :clown: The best bit is when they can't fault the car they'll try to bid below asking price :banghead:

:hahaha:
So so true !!
Classic I got was 'I can only offer you asking price if you throw in the Alcons for free. :hahaha:

Ok I wasn't going to elaborate but seeing as I was talking bollox I'd better

The bonnet, fns wing, and ns door had been painted badly
The bonnet and ns wing don't align properly and you can still see this in the royals jag pictures
It had also been painted into the b pillar shut
I spoke to the previous owner who admitted hitting something down a country lane and replacing the front bumper
Maybe this was all that was damaged but to me it set alarms bells ringing
I didn't consider these minor cosmetic issues but that is my opinion
When you are spending £55k buying a car from a prestige car dealer i expect the product to be flawless, it wasn't.

The car had clearly had a hard life early on as most of the parts had been replaced including the engine rebuild

I'm fussy about my cars and I was looking for a keeper so decided to walk away.

It's for sale again very quickly but there may be a genuine reason for that

Sounds fair to me. I would want a straight one at that price.
MC

I would suggest calling Dan at Munich Legends before buying any cars .
He sold my car without any fuss and always has buyers and sellers of top quality cars. Dan knows the market inside out and will only buy the best cars for re sale.
They are a top outfit .