Who has a spare genuine bumper without flippers on?

[Mike R]

Basically I've bought one of these:
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9966

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/CSL%20stuff/Vorsteinersplitter01_zps38ea9b5b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/CSL%20stuff/Vorsteinersplitter02_zps661bab4e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/CSL%20stuff/Vorsteinersplitter03_zps32dce315.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/CSL%20stuff/Vorsteinersplitter04_zpsef895bf8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/CSL%20stuff/Vorsteinersplitter05_zpse1e3220e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/CSL%20stuff/Vorsteinersplitter06_zps5bcd596f.jpg

The finish isn't up to my standard and what I want to do is make a proper 4x4 twill pre-preg one. However, before I do, I want to make sure it actually fits a CSL bumper (and I haven't got a car yet).

It appears that one side of "notching" to make it fit a CSL bumper was done pre-lacquering and the other side post lacquering. Having had my carbon guy examine it in detail, if this is a genuine Vorsteiner item (as the stickers on it attempt to confirm), then the quality of their products to quote German - is scheiße :gayfight:. However, I have no experience of their products to know if this is the case or not (anyone who has, feel free to comment).

I was hoping I could send it to a nice helpful owner, who could offer it up to their spare CSL bumper and confirm it does indeed fit to a satisfactory level, before I went to the hassle of making a proper one. Otherwise it means waiting until I get a car (which could be a couple of months at this rate).

Many thanks :).

[Steve B]

Looking forward to seeing a CSL on gold rims.....:whistle:

[Mike R]

Steve,
You shouldn't have posted ;). As someone I know, do you fancy helping out :gayfight:? I have no idea how easy it is to whip the flippers off? Do you want to see if this fits properly for me ;)?

You'll be pleased to know I don't think the CSL is cool enough to pull off all gold wheels ;).

[Steve B]

In all seriousness I'll test fit it to my car if you want as the std splitters pop off easy enough.


Steve

[Mike R]

In all seriousness I'll test fit it to my car if you want as the std splitters pop off easy enough.


Steve

PM me your address you want it sent to :thumbs:.

[Steve B]

PM coming you way.....


Steve

[NZ_M3]

It fits ... I have 2 of those ... one in 1x1 and the other in 2x2.
The 1x1 is brand new and fitted like shit. I had to modify it quite a bit to get it to fit properly on a genuine CSL bumper.

I also have a vorsteiner CSL bumper and it fitted okay on that (shows the mould wasn't done very well).

The 2x2 that I have is second hand first generation mould and this fitted way better on the genuine CSL bumper, but doesn't actually fit the Vorsteiner CSL bumper LOL (it was too long).

Vorsteiner stuff is crap.

It's a single layer weaved fiberglass + a single layer of mesh + another layer of carbon fiber - and then vacuum infused. It is NOT pre-preg carbon fiber - far from it (it's the cheapest weight you can get basically). The epoxy they use is also shit - it has zero give and cracks like a mother fucker with any sort of flex.

Photo below: (note - there's actually a slight gap under the radiator opening - the older Vorsteiner lip (the 2x2 weave I have) have 5 holes in the lip so you can drill into the bumper to secure it with plastic clips) - the brand new 1x1 I had has no such holes - most of the guys in the USA just use black window silicon to glue this part on, I used double sided 3M VHT tape, still comes off at the track however - best solution if you are looking at fitting this properly is to drill the holes and use the clips.

I'll post up some more photos tonight of both the genuine bumper with the lip and the Vorsteiner bumper with the lip. I was actually playing with these just the other day!!
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/ResizeofP1020318.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/ResizeofP1020319.jpg


I also have the Vorsteiner CSL replica splitters (i.e. individual left and right hand side flippers as some on here like to call them) and believe it or not, these actually fit quite well on the genuine CSL bumper. Might be a cheap alternative for someone not wanting to go down the OEM route.

[Mike R]

Thanks so much for the pictures and comments, at least I know that it is supposed to be like that.

Steve,
If you could do whatever is necessary so that it fits perfectly on a standard bumper, I'd be forever in your debt :gayfight:.

[Steve B]

No probs:beer:

[digi]

I find the gen. looks way better. But thats just me. :-D I suppose it will protect the CSL front bumper more though, especially the middle jaw.

[LeinsCSL]

I find the gen. looks way better. But thats just me. :-D I suppose it will protect the CSL front bumper more though, especially the middle jaw.

Agree with that. I'm sure there are lots of aerodynamic benefits to this thing, but to me it looks nasty. Flippers all the way :thumbs:

[Mike R]

We're all different, and I only bought it because the CSL will be used on track and I wanted something that would improve the front end downforce, without looking like a complete abortion.

As standard the CSL still has some front end lift at speed, something I hoped this would address :).

[_Nathan_]

We're all different, and I only bought it because the CSL will be used on track and I wanted something that would improve the front end downforce, without looking like a complete abortion.

As standard the CSL still has some front end lift at speed, something I hoped this would address :).

What are the figures you have for lift? The figures I have suggest very little lift at the front, far less than say a GT3 RS, yet a load more lift at the rear.

[alexk]

What are the figures you have for lift? The figures I have suggest very little lift at the front, far less than say a GT3 RS, yet a load more lift at the rear.


From Sport Auto ->

http://clubcsl.com/CSL/various/M3-CSL-wind-tunnel.jpg

[_Nathan_]

They are the figures I had.

[Neil M]

Agree with that. I'm sure there are lots of aerodynamic benefits to this thing, but to me it looks nasty. Flippers all the way :thumbs:

Oh you traditionalists :wink: it's only an set of joined up flippers.
If someone doesn't come up with a descent set of replicas, it's going to be something we all might have to consider at some point:thumbs:
Last time I inquired I was told the flippers were 'NLA'. Someone recently received a pair that had been of back order for several months, when the arrived they were unfinished CF, no gel/lacquer coating.:banghead:

[Mike R]

And the figures I found ;), whereas the Escort has 60kg of negative lift on the front with the splitter fully extended (sorry for the photos Alex ;)):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/Escort%20Photos/c9bc9af9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/Escort%20Photos/Snetterton14-Jun-201112.jpg

You can see the adjustment points in this photo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/Escort%20Photos/SnettertonTA10-Oct-2010009.jpg

[Mike R]

Oh you traditionalists :wink: it's only an set of joined up flippers.
If someone doesn't come up with a descent set of replicas, it's going to be something we all might have to consider at some point:thumbs:
Last time I inquired I was told the flippers were 'NLA'. Someone recently received a pair that had been of back order for several months, when the arrived they were unfinished CF, no gel/lacquer coating.:banghead:

Neil,
Don't fret, when I get mine, the first thing I will be doing is getting the flippers replicated. My guy does carbon for historic F1 cars (so is proper pre-preg stuff), so the quality is there :).

Here is an example of an Escort carbon airbox ;):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/Carbon/Carbonairboxlid02-1.jpg

[Neil M]

Good to hear Mike, you'll be doing a group buy then?:thumbs:
Many have tried but very few have achieved to replicate the flippers with accuracy to date, making the mold apparently is the biggest problem.
A lost art these days, unless you have access to a computer controlled compound milling machine - Looks like your man does :supz:

[Mike R]

Neil,
Put it this way, he's the one that supplies Mitsubishi with the carbon for all their FQ cars, so I don't think you need to worry ;).

[shimmy]

Neil,
Put it this way, he's the one that supplies Mitsubishi with the carbon for all their FQ cars, so I don't think you need to worry ;).

Superb :)..........


I think I might worry a little.:finga:

[0836whimper]

My flippers that I ordered last week.

Interesting, they are the original design 2 hole variety.
They seem to have a manufactured date of 13/11/12.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/Flippers_zps22972f4e.jpg

[NZ_M3]

My flippers that I ordered last week.

Interesting, they are the original design 2 hole variety.
They seem to have a manufactured date of 13/11/12.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/Flippers_zps22972f4e.jpg

Those are the new style ones - you can tell by the lower lip on the top and the new BMW sticker (not made in Slovenia).


More photos of the single piece lip on my spare bumper.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/B5FB87C4-D4E9-4542-B44E-260EC51D50D3-87-00000001CA021398_zps528c78a4.jpg

in this photo you can see the gap:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/1DD9775F-B167-431B-A783-DDBB8BD0A65B-87-00000001C3F118AE_zps00a24c04.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/55D61B56-618C-4726-A8B1-B1DAEA155D90-87-00000001BD4F2B09_zpsdfbd0b10.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/M3_Power/786D3E8D-E50B-4181-A0E1-9D9B9372A712-87-00000001B3F5B31E_zpse863ff0d.jpg

[Pip1968]

Not a bad solution NZM3. Do they still afix in the same way as the individual flippers? I take it that overall it also means that the front bumper sits lower to the ground. I only ask as my flippers scrape as I come off the drive onto the pavement and onto the cambered road :(.

Pip

[alexk]

(sorry for the photos Alex ;)):


Sorry mate, a Ford in a BMW M3 CSL forum bores me to death.
Even the ladies Mark is posting are more refreshing :whistle:

when I get mine, the first thing I will be doing is getting the flippers replicated.

Is there an agenda here :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

Sorry mate, a Ford in a BMW M3 CSL forum bores me to death.
Even the ladies Mark is posting are more refreshing :whistle:



Is there an agenda here :whistle:

Bit boring now tbh Alex. :thumbs:

Mike IS an enthusiast, shit driver, but loves cars. Please give him a break.

The guy only asked a few questions and it now seems he is enemy no1.

And sometimes, a pic and vid here and there of other marques/models is quite refreshing. Afterall the CSL only came in 2 colours and Im sure we have all seen loads of pics of each. (not that I tire of looking at the CSL, but you get my point)

Love all round please:smt055

[Mike R]

Sorry mate, a Ford in a BMW M3 CSL forum bores me to death.
Even the ladies Mark is posting are more refreshing :whistle:



Is there an agenda here :whistle:

We have to put with your shonky Z3, so I thought a proper car would make nice viewing ;).

[_Nathan_]

We have to put with your shonky Z3, so I thought a proper car would make nice viewing ;).

When you gonna post one of those then? :whistle:

[Mike R]

When you gonna post one of those then? :whistle:

:finga:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/MikeR/M3/f817568a.jpg

[_Nathan_]

ha ha :D

e90 is a good choice :beer:

[alexk]

We have to put with your shonky Z3, so I thought a proper car would make nice viewing ;).

Whatever :finga: