Exhaust clamps-done

[s.mac]

Finally got the OEM clamps machined, it was working out way too much for stainless steel to be made.

Clamp, other 1/2 is the same, with a bit of zinc anti rust spray

[shimmy]

i feel an ebay shop coming on!

can i have 2 pr please

[s.mac]

I will ask how much Shimmy, you have to buy 2 clamps to make one.
The guy did them as a favour for a favour. Now he's done a set he may be ok to do some more, although I would need to ask. I may get 2 fingers :hahaha:

[s.mac]

Other half

[Equinox]

Cool, i'd stock those in my spares pile too. Look forward to hearing more

[Bounce]

Are mine in the post;)

[s.mac]

Bret....Nope :birdman:

Let me ask the question and I will update

[northernjim]

Bret....Nope :birdman:

Let me ask the question and I will update

chop chop !

[rstoughy]

Superb Steve :smokin:

[Mark CSL]

Add me to the list i would take a set :thumbs:

[shimmy]

You could sell these to Simpsons I guarantee


And please note I did out 2 Pair above as I did work out you need two per exhaust :)

[cantfind1]

Is there another solution to these exhaust clamps rusting....need mine replacing as well on both pipes!

[shimmy]

Is there another solution to these exhaust clamps rusting....need mine replacing as well on both pipes!

Buy BMW ones, cut and weld them

Or

Peugeot size clamps just work.

[alexk]

I am interested in a set too :thumbs:

[0836whimper]

Good work.
I'm in the market for a set too.

[s.mac]

I have asked the engineer. his eyes rolled back and he asked me why the hell I had posted :hahaha:

I can't remember what I paid for the OEM BMW ones but I can find out, at a guess £15 ish?? I really cant remember.

Only one side on the centre pipe needs doing and I think,both sides on the back box side.

I only needed one of the 4 pipes doing, I put an after market box on and it had 2 good stainless steel clamps on.

OEM system- I think you would need 6 clamps to make 3 sides (if they all all rusty), 1/2 is thrown away in the process, that is just the way it's done.

I tried to get one clamp wired so there was no wastage, but it cost too much....I think no one was prepared to do it for the numbers I was asking for.

Each cut would be £10 (to the engineer)

cheap enough for me, for one complete unit, but may put people off, but way cheaper than stainless steel ones (that is if you can get them)

OEM clamp costs, plus delivery, plus £60 to engineer if all 3 required.

I need to check an OEM back box, you may only need 4 clamps and 4 cuts? 2 clamps may slip on.

confused, I am :whistle:

I might get the price down, if there are a few for him to do. I would only do on a one hit basis, with money up front.

If people are interested, I could put something in group buys for a set period, with pictures of what you get.


I hate group buys :bigcry:

[Neil M]

That will teach you - oh benevolent one :whistle: Group buys it is then, sick of seeing the oil bag :smt023

[s.mac]

once the pricing goes on Neil there's always one of those tumbleweed moments

[cantfind1]

Buy BMW ones, cut and weld them

Or

Peugeot size clamps just work.


What are these Peugeot ones you speak of?? Any part numbers or info....:thumbs:

[Bounce]

What are these Peugeot ones you speak of?? Any part numbers or info....:thumbs: 66mm Peugoet clamps off EBay,think there about 4quid each,I didn't use them as my oem ones were ok,but found this pic of them being used on a E46 M3.There not brilliant,but do the job.:wink:

[Bounce]

What are these Peugeot ones you speak of?? Any part numbers or info....:thumbs:These ones:-D

[cantfind1]

Genius...looks like a solution!

Will purchase some and see how I go.....lol

I take it you just angle grind the old ones off?? Because there is no way the rusted bolts are coming loose!!

[s.mac]

Yep angle grinder did the trick for me:)

[cantfind1]

:supz:Yep angle grinder did the trick for me:)

[cantfind1]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-STAINLESS-STEEL-4-INCH-HAEVY-DUTY-V-BAND-CLAMP-FLANGE-EXHAUST-KIT-/221117585732?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item337ba29944

Found these as well....any thoughts??

[s.mac]

I thought they looked the better ones and would have gone with those

[CraigMillwardCroft]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-STAINLESS-STEEL-4-INCH-HAEVY-DUTY-V-BAND-CLAMP-FLANGE-EXHAUST-KIT-/221117585732?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item337ba29944

Found these as well....any thoughts??
They look much better and are S/S :thumbs:

[Bounce]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-STAINLESS-STEEL-4-INCH-HAEVY-DUTY-V-BAND-CLAMP-FLANGE-EXHAUST-KIT-/221117585732?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item337ba29944

Found these as well....any thoughts??

I thought they looked the better ones and would have gone with those

They look much better and are S/S :thumbs:Bollox to the lot of you,that's the last time i surf the net for you fookers.:birdman::-D

[cantfind1]

Haha...I win....although have already bought the peugeot ones...will see how they go...:blalalala:

[shimmy]

Haha...I win....although have already bought the peugeot ones...will see how they go...:blalalala:

I refuse to put anything Peugeut on my CSL....anybody who has ought to really have a word with themselves ;)

[AlexGTT]

I refuse to put anything Peugeut on my CSL....anybody who has ought to really have a word with themselves ;)

Snob!:birdman::wink:
















.....I feel the same.:whistle:

[shimmy]

Snob!:birdman::wink:








.....I feel the same.:whistle:


I prefer to think of myself as a racist rather than a snob :)


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[Bounce]

I refuse to put anything Peugeut on my CSL....anybody who has ought to really have a word with themselves ;)All is not lost,just bin out in the garage to have a look at some spare ones I have just incase my oem ones give up and they are made in Germany.:-D

[s.mac]

all fitted and I forgot to take my keys with me :( its been an OK day and I could of taken her out for a short spin :banghead:

[0836whimper]

Anyone actually tried these ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-STAINLESS-STEEL-4-INCH-HAEVY-DUTY-V-BAND-CLAMP-FLANGE-EXHAUST-KIT-/221117585732?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item337ba29944#ht_7455wt_1155

It's hard to tell if they are wide enough and clamp both part effectively.

If not, I might be the guinea-pig.

[J2LTB]

Hi lads I'll jump in on the debate.

I bought the Peugeot 66mm clamps this weekend. I've tried to fit them with little success . There's a crack on the flange on the inner middle section.
The outer insert section won't even clamp up. I'm dissapionted waste of £4.57 lol

Now what to do before Germany :-/ help ???

[0836whimper]

Crack on the flange doesn't sound good....I'm not sure what complication that adds. Might also mean it's blowing and a (very strict) MOT fail I guess.

I've need trawling for a while on this one. As far as I can tell your options are :

- Buy a new/used backbox
- Use opportunity to buy a Supersprint replacement
(assume you don't fancy either of those...)

- Buy OEM flanges and gaskets from BMW. Get the flanges cut professionally, re-attach, bolt back up and away you go.
- Get the pugueot clamps, just looks a bit inadequate to me (although better than rusty clamps holding nothing together). And you've tried it.
- Get the ebay jobs I've linked to above (that's what I am trying first)
- Get something specifically made of someone on cutters, either SS or titanium. Can't see anything available at present though
- Get the pipes cut, sleeve them then re-clamp.
- Turn up at an exhaust specialist/garage and ask them to sort it

Personally I wouldn't weld the back box to the centre section, but people have.

[J2LTB]

Crack on the flange doesn't sound good....I'm not sure what complication that adds. Might also mean it's blowing and a (very strict) MOT fail I guess.

I've need trawling for a while on this one. As far as I can tell your options are :

- Buy a new/used backbox
- Use opportunity to buy a Supersprint replacement
(assume you don't fancy either of those...)

- Buy OEM flanges and gaskets from BMW. Get the flanges cut professionally, re-attach, bolt back up and away you go.
- Get the pugueot clamps, just looks a bit inadequate to me (although better than rusty clamps holding nothing together). And you've tried it.
- Get the ebay jobs I've linked to above (that's what I am trying first)
- Get something specifically made of someone on cutters, either SS or titanium. Can't see anything available at present though
- Get the pipes cut, sleeve them then re-clamp.
- Turn up at an exhaust specialist/garage and ask them to sort it

Personally I wouldn't weld the back box to the centre section, but people have.

Pretty much thought the same as above :thumbs:
I rang JP EXHAUSTS in Macclesfield And they couldn't get me in till May 23rd. They are brilliant but not the day before Germany.
I'm not going down the after market route as I love the noise as it now. Mind you it's louder because of the slight leak.
How much are the BMW repair items ?

[Monkey]

We have a set of aftermarket clamps machined for us here at Munich Legends.

The kit consists of 3 oversized clamps with shim inserts, and a final standard clamp from BMW. All the bolts are also included.

The most time consuming part is removing the old clamps, once this is done the new parts fit straight on, no hassle. We've been using them for a year now with no problems. Be interesting to see how long they last! They're the best we've seen yet, so will continue to use them.

I can upload a photo tomorrow from work if you like?

[J2LTB]

Cheers Monkey. Yes you can upload the pics I'm sure it will benefit me and others. So is this a no cut method ? How much is the kit supplied please.

I'm booked into a exhaust fabricators tomorrow night so he can take a look. I think his way is to cut and flange it. He's done them before.

[Monkey]

We used to do that. Cut the pipes flush with the rear box, and one of the centre pipes. The new flanges do not come in the correct size though, as the pipes are 2 different diameters. So even the BMW flanges have to be machined out.

Its quite labour intensive too, drop the whole exhaust, cut and re-weld the pipes. And you are only replacing the flanges like for like, so chances are they will crack again!

No worries, I'll update a picture tomorrow. I'll check what the current price is too.

[Monkey]

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As promised here are the photos of the kits we use. There is no need to cut the exhausts at all, the oversized clamps fit over the flanges, with the inserts then being fitted to ensure the correct size.

They are excellent quality, very heavy duty & we dont anticipate any issues with them.

[Mark CSL]

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7957

7958

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As promised here are the photos of the kits we use. There is no need to cut the exhausts at all, the oversized clamps fit over the flanges, with the inserts then being fitted to ensure the correct size.

They are excellent quality, very heavy duty & we dont anticipate any issues with them.

Do you sell them ?
if so how much ?

[pinkpanther008]

Ill be up for a set or two?

Do you sell them ?
if so how much ?

[s.mac]

If it slides over the flange how does it stay on ??

[Mark CSL]

If it slides over the flange how does it stay on ??
I would say the 2 rings that are in half fit round the pipe and hold it there :whistle:

[s.mac]

Lol, I thought that Mark but they only look as wide as the flange on the pipes

[Monkey]

Mark you're absolutely correct:) The flanges are large enough to go over the
pipes in the entirety. Once over the pipes you then fit the 2 half circle parts back into the flange. These then fit flush against the back of the flared bits of the pipes.

The original BMW one is used on the outer pipe centre section, as there is no flared pipe there, and its smaller diameter anyway. 2 new gaskets (silly not to do them whilst you're there), 4 bolts and job done.

There is no welding involved at all. Once you have the old flanges removed, its about 10 minutes to get it all fitted. Hardest part is removing the old flanges, assuming they are still relatively intact.

As for the query on prices, Im fairly new to this forum and not sure on rules. Can I post prices here? They're not for sale in the sense that we have loads to get rid of, but if people are interested We can try to accomodate the forum members.

As a side note if say, 10 of you got together for a bulk buy I'm sure I could try to get the price down a little more.

[s.mac]

Good Fix!!!

Looks like a group buy for those who need a solution :)

[0836whimper]

Looking good there.

The bit I'm not clear on is how the BMW clamp grips the outer centre pipe (the one without the flared end) ?

[shimmy]

My exhaust is off the car and stripped of rusty clamps, ready for a nice set of these beauties :)

bring a load along for the raffle!

[cslsuperfan]

shimmy,
are you still off to simpsons Tuesday?






My exhaust is off the car and stripped of rusty clamps, ready for a nice set of these beauties :)

bring a load along for the raffle!

[Monkey]

Hi 0836whimper,

The long and short of it is that it doesn't! But that's exactly the same as it is when it comes out the factory.

But bear in mind that this pipe is smaller diameter. There is a crush washer type ring gasket that fits over this pipe, and then this pipe slides inside the pipe on the rear silencer.

I'm not sure why they made it like that, but I can assure you it works exactly the same way as the original set up (but without snapping the flanges!).

If you ever see a set of pipes stripped down without the flanges you'll see what I mean, but I hope I've explained it well enough:)

Hi Shimmy, unfortunately I dont have enough sets to donate to the raffle at the moment:(

I have spoken to Dan about the raffle though. We're just finalising it, but we're heading towards a 1/2 price insp 1or 2, which ever is due and also a full day platinum valet. We have a very very good valeter working for us now, this will make your car look as good as it possibly can! Includes mop & polish etc etc. I understand from John that its BillyBoy who is sorting out the raffle, so I'll get in touch with him in the next couple of days regarding that.

[0836whimper]

Cheers James, you mean like the below.

Clearly designed by very clever people like that for some reason....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/TIFF-C20WTH/IMG_1817.jpg

[J2LTB]

Having spoke to James at ML last night I was ready to go for their clamp setup. But I'd booked into a exhaust fabricators last night so I still went. It turns out someone has mucked about with it before and the outer flange is damaged. The inner joint seems ok. They can sort for £100 drive in drive out. Quick fix as Munich is fast approaching.

The ML setup is the route I'd go if the exhaust was ok.

[0836whimper]

I replaced my rusted clamps with the Munich Legends kit yesterday.

Here's what I started with :

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/0E2AFDBC-FE00-4867-BFE2-24A639DCA2CE-32558-00002561B20FAB6B_zps8485e8d8.jpg

I managed to get three of the clamps off just with a small hammer and hacksaw, but the third was a bit tricky and access is hard. So I got a Dremel with the metal cutting disc and it made short work of the last one. Wear goggles if you do this though. Luckily the pipes were in good condition.

The hardest part in fitting these replacements is that the nearest pipe of the centre section goes quite a way inside the back-box pipe and you need to loosen the exhaust hangers to get enough movement to get it out. Some have done this without loosening but I didn't want to stress the hangers (they are 10 years old after all)

Following Monkey's advice I took the rear bumper off (car was on stands) to give access to the hanger bolts, which are behind a heat shield you can bend out of the way. These were really rusty and I managed to round off a 12mm nut in a socket so that is staying put, but the others came off.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/exhausthanger_zps980d77c5.jpg

After a lot of heaving and requiring two people I managed to get the pipes apart and get the BMW gaskets in place :

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/gaskets_zps9e509287.jpg

And then the clamps over the pipe flanges and the also the inners in place to allow clamping and then bolting together. This was also a little tricky as you need to get the inners nicely in place and also the gasket nearest the camera is soft and delicate and you don't want to damage it.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/0836whimper/clamps_zps6fb9826f.jpg

I think as fixes go it's probably up there. Ok, it mild steel again and will rust over time and they are also heavy, but it's pretty close to an OEM fix as it leaves all the original gaskets clamped in place as they were from the factory. Other solutions (e.g. the Peugeot clamps) won't achieve this I don't think.

Thanks to Monkey (James) for giving me a few fitting tips, like all these jobs it's always hardest the first time.

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Rounded bolts are a pain and doing another job I also now have a rounded screw that holds a front indicator unit in place, any advice on that one appreciated....

[Pip1968]

Nice write up and pictures Whimper :thumbs:.

Munich Legends actually did a cut and weld on mine a few years ago and put new clamps on.

Pip

[Talkwrench]

First post here, please dont shoot for reviving an old thread, might be of interest though:-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111513218687?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch% 2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D11151 3218687%26_rdc%3D1#ht_785wt_1190

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52752&page=20


There are more available ;-)