Anybody looked to sell?

[Ramsden15]

As some of you may have seen from a thread I started a couple of weeks ago, I am looking for a CSL. My ideal spec is, the faster sg colour, less than 50k miles (ideally lower than 40k), full service history and ideally a warranty and must be exceptional condition inside and out and have A/C.

So if any of you are thinking of selling, please let me know.

I seem to have picked the worst time of year to buy one with, I am guessing, a lot safely away in hibernation for the winter.

On a side note, does anybody know this car advertised on PistonHeads YY53 NFO.

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-m3-csl--bmw-warranty-until-nov-2013/590141

Cheers

[Mark CSL]

As some of you may have seen from a thread I started a couple of weeks ago, I am looking for a CSL. My ideal spec is, the faster sg colour, less than 50k miles (ideally lower than 40k), full service history and ideally a warranty and must be exceptional condition inside and out and have A/C.

So if any of you are thinking of selling, please let me know.

I seem to have picked the worst time of year to buy one with, I am guessing, a lot safely away in hibernation for the winter.

On a side note, does anybody know this car advertised on PistonHeads YY53 NFO.

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-m3-csl--bmw-warranty-until-nov-2013/590141

Cheers

There is a big gap between services

* 11/12/08 at 41,126 miles, Sytner Leicester BMW - Inspection 2

* 03/10/11 at 50,780 miles, Williams Manchester BMW, - Oil service

:banghead:

[Jon8710]

that car has been up for sale for ages,

with that kind of service gap you wont get a BMW warrenty on it and in my eyes that is a must.

good luck with the search and i would not worry about mileage to much, its all about the quality of the car !!

:)

[CraigMillwardCroft]

As some of you may have seen from a thread I started a couple of weeks ago, I am looking for a CSL. My ideal spec is, the faster sg colour, less than 50k miles (ideally lower than 40k), full service history and ideally a warranty and must be exceptional condition inside and out and have A/C.

So if any of you are thinking of selling, please let me know.

I seem to have picked the worst time of year to buy one with, I am guessing, a lot safely away in hibernation for the winter.

On a side note, does anybody know this car advertised on PistonHeads YY53 NFO.

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-m3-csl--bmw-warranty-until-nov-2013/590141

Cheers

I only have a Special Black one with 17668 miles FBMWSH and Warranty in hibernation and not for sale, good luck with finding a Slower Grey one :blalalala:

[83SY]

I only have a Special Black one with 17668 miles FBMWSH and Warranty in hibernation and note for sale, good luck with finding a Slower Grey one :blalalala:

I read that quick and thought you were seller!!!! Never :beer:
Getting back to the car advertised... if you cant get a warranty I wouldn't touch it with Craigs... :smt055

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I read that quick and thought you were seller!!!! Never :beer:
Getting back to the car advertised... if you cant get a warranty I wouldn't touch it with Craigs... :smt055
But maybe with Shimmy's :whistle:

[Ramsden15]

I have questioned the 12 months warranty with the seller in relation to the service gap, this was his response:
'I discussed this with BMW and they were perfectly happy with this, I have no problem renewing the fully comprehensive cover each year and have had no problems having works done under the warranty.'

I wonder what BMW would say if the engine blew up?

that car has been up for sale for ages,

with that kind of service gap you wont get a BMW warrenty on it and in my eyes that is a must.

good luck with the search and i would not worry about mileage to much, its all about the quality of the car !!

:)

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Nick Johnson has two low mileage SG ones for sale

[Pip1968]

Surely if they were unhappy with the gap in services they would not have renewed the warranty- ??

Not a bad price for a 52,000 miler. If it sells at that mine should be worth £30,000 with APs and only 34,000 miles on the clock (not currently for sale or likely to be in the near future).

Good luck with your search.

Pip

[Ramsden15]

The 14/15k mile cars are out side my budget unfortunately.


Nick Johnson has two low mileage SG ones for sale

[GregorJP]

Nick Johnson also has Rager54's car currently for sale - 27,000 miles and on at a tiny bit over £30k. I know he looked after it well and hardly drove it, so it's worth a look.

[Ramsden15]

He is unlikely to get £27.5k for it and he knows it, he would do a deal for a figure that makes it more attractive.

Surely if they were unhappy with the gap in services they would not have renewed the warranty- ??

Not a bad price for a 52,000 miler. If it sells at that mine should be worth £30,000 with APs and only 34,000 miles on the clock (not currently for sale or likely to be in the near future).

Good luck with your search.

Pip

[Ramsden15]

I have emailed Nick about this car today, again it's slightly over my budget, which I should have mentioned is £29.5k, leaving me something left in the pot for a PPI, insurance and any niggles that might need sorting.

Nick Johnson also has Rager54's car currently for sale - 27,000 miles and on at a tiny bit over £30k. I know he looked after it well and hardly drove it, so it's worth a look.

[LeinsCSL]

Well the traders are definitely beginning to set the market I think. Here's one MLs are getting in soon: SB, 60k, £26k

http://www.munichlegends.co.uk/component/option,com_rdautos/id,271/view,detail/

[Barry C]

Prices are very strong :beer:

[83SY]

But maybe with Shimmy's :whistle:

Go anywhere with his :supz:

[cslsuperfan]

check this csl out . well known to the forum and its forsale in the trading section.
absolutely stunning car ,ap's and supersprint system...ready to go!!! and very good price considering the goodies on it.

back box is 1500 quid alone
ap's 3k plus fitting.
:-D

[83SY]

Prices are very strong :beer:

I was thinking that :thumbs: even the 100k+ are up for 22k+
Not that it matters what it's worth mine is not for sale!

[billyboysm3]

Surely if they were unhappy with the gap in services they would not have renewed the warranty- ??

Not a bad price for a 52,000 miler. If it sells at that mine should be worth £30,000 with APs and only 34,000 miles on the clock (not currently for sale or likely to be in the near future).

Good luck with your search.

Pip

Its easy to renew the warranty as all they ask has it been serviced as it should, you say yes, they say great, make payment ......BUT the fun and games would be making a claim on anything engine related as they want to see the service book and invoices if it doesnt stack up.

[Neil M]

Ramsden15 have a look here:
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9460
Ian aka EVLXGE is thinking of selling.

[thegingerninja]

I was thinking that :thumbs: even the 100k+ are up for 22k+
Not that it matters what it's worth mine is not for sale!

The asking price is irrelevant - it's the selling price that counts. Have you noticed that quite a few cars that have been for sale for a long time.....there's usually a reason for that. The right car at the right price will sell in a fairly short period of time. I have always been realistic when selling, each time I change my car, it sells within 2 weeks.

M500 is priced about right in my opinion, it's a 50,000 mile CSL. Having AP's does not increase the value by £3K - they have been fitted to the car and used, so they are now second hand and not worth £3K of anyones money, but if I'm wrong and people will pay that - I'll sell my own and buy a brand new set for a few hundred pounds more.

Obviously sellers want as much as they can get, but the guy asking £24K for a 116,000 mile CSL is clearly living on a different planet to the rest of us, and if someone actually pays that - then they have more money than sense.

M500 at £28,500 is realistically priced to sell. I'm sure he has had loads of emails from "interested" people, but they're aren't many out there with that kiind of money sitting in their bank account as cash. Most will want some kind of finance, or trade their current car first etc etc - if a buyer comes along with the "cash" and offered me the asking price for a car that I was selling......I'd snap their hand off immediately.

[EVLXGE]

check this csl out . well known to the forum and its forsale in the trading section.
absolutely stunning car ,ap's and supersprint system...ready to go!!! and very good price considering the goodies on it.

back box is 1500 quid alone
ap's 3k plus fitting.
:-D

Thanks....let me know where to forward the commission :whistle: :smokin:

[Ramsden15]

Ramsden15 have a look here:
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9460
Ian aka EVLXGE is thinking of selling.

I have contacted EVLXGE already, but he is away on business at the moment so not currently possible to view the car.

[Ramsden15]

I've had a busy weekend viewing cars this weekend. I went to look at the 52k mile car in Manchester on Saturday. This car was very well detailed, comes with new csl alloys with new cup tyres and brand new Alcon cup brake kit, front and back (<200 miles). 12 month, zero excess bmw warranty etc. all for a good price. Unfortunately I was not convicted about some aspects of the car so I have decided not to peruse it further.

Today I went to see the 27.5k car at NJ. Having looked at two 52k cars and a 30k car already I have a gauge of what to expect for the respective milage so was hoping for something special for this price and mileage. Again I don't think this car is for me.
I'm going to sleep on this one and make a final decision tomorrow.

So it looks Like I am still in the market for a low mileage sg car.:bigcry:

[Jon8710]

i agree NJ cars are very rough around the edges,

if you have the money wait the perfect car will turn up.

:-D

[dave wilkinson]

your in a good position to buy mate, so sit tight and one will come up.
i was the same when looking NJ cars are few and far between, some i saw had odd tyres, poor interiors,paint ect. but he's just selling for sellers a lot of the time so don't right his cars off as he does get a lot of good ones, and is a nice bloke.

when i was searching i looked at two low 50k cars and tbo they'd been abused. i went to look at one on a whim which had ticked over 60k and it had been looked after to a very high standard. bottom line is buy on condition not mileage, although i know under 60k is important for warranty, i just found the lower the mileage the worse the history. might have just been my experience tho :hahaha:

[Neil M]

your in a good position to buy mate, so sit tight and one will come up.

when i was searching i looked at two low 50k cars and tbo they'd been abused. i went to look at one on a whim which had ticked over 60k and it had been looked after to a very high standard. bottom line is buy on condition not mileage, although i know under 60k is important for warranty, i just found the lower the mileage the worse the history. might have just been my experience tho :hahaha:

I couldn't agree more with Dave, that was also my experience for some strange reason low mileage cars seem to be owned by people who are illiterate. :hahaha:

They don't drive it and in consequence don't service it, despite what it says in the book 15,000 or bi-annual which is where at least two I looked at fell down. :(

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I've had a busy weekend viewing cars this weekend. I went to look at the 52k mile car in Manchester on Saturday. This car was very well detailed, comes with new csl alloys with new cup tyres and brand new Alcon cup brake kit, front and back (<200 miles). 12 month, zero excess bmw warranty etc. all for a good price. Unfortunately I was not convicted about some aspects of the car so I have decided not to peruse it further.

Today I went to see the 27.5k car at NJ. Having looked at two 52k cars and a 30k car already I have a gauge of what to expect for the respective milage so was hoping for something special for this price and mileage. Again I don't think this car is for me. I am not sure being a cash buyer makes sense buying from Nick. The cars are priced at dealer prices but unless you need finance or part exchange I can not work out what he offers over a private sale.
I'm going to sleep on this one and make a final decision tomorrow.

So it looks Like I am still in the market for a low mileage sg car.:bigcry:
It took me a year and a bit to find my car, was not in any real rush and knew when I had found the one :thumbs:

[thegingerninja]

I couldn't agree more with Dave, that was also my experience for some strange reason low mileage cars seem to be owned by people who are illiterate. :hahaha:

They don't drive it and in consequence don't service it, despite what it says in the book 15,000 or bi-annual which is where at least two I looked at fell down. :(

BMW insist on bi-annual oil service as a minimum to keep the warranty, but you have to ask yourself if a car has only done 200 miles each year, is it really going to do any harm if the oil is not changed (provided the car is stored under the correct conditions i.e. not outside in the cold and rain).

If you are looking at only keeping the car for a few years, then you should only be looking at cars with impeccable service history, so you are in a better position when resale time comes.

However - if you are looking at a CSL a a keeper, say +10 years, then I wouldn't let a low mileage example that slipped an oil change put me off. Do you think that buyers of the original 1973 CSL care about a late oil change? In +10 years time, people will be "restoring" our CSL's, so engines, gearboxes etc will be fully rebuilt and the mileage / service record will be less important as the years go by. Obviously, the ones with all the history will comand a higher price.

Ask the owner of a £50,000 E-type if he cares if his car doesn't have full history - probably not.

There have been a couple of cars recently with less then 1000 miles which have sold and NEVER been serviced....they still got snapped up at a significant price.

So, in short, if you are looking for short term ownership, then ideally you do need to have a comprehensive service history. If you are looking for a "car forever", then I think it is less relevant. Only my opinion of course.:smokin:

[Bounce]

BMW insist on bi-annual oil service as a minimum to keep the warranty, but you have to ask yourself if a car has only done 200 miles each year, is it really going to do any harm if the oil is not changed (provided the car is stored under the correct conditions i.e. not outside in the cold and rain).

If you are looking at only keeping the car for a few years, then you should only be looking at cars with impeccable service history, so you are in a better position when resale time comes.

However - if you are looking at a CSL a a keeper, say +10 years, then I wouldn't let a low mileage example that slipped an oil change put me off. Do you think that buyers of the original 1973 CSL care about a late oil change? In +10 years time, people will be "restoring" our CSL's, so engines, gearboxes etc will be fully rebuilt and the mileage / service record will be less important as the years go by. Obviously, the ones with all the history will comand a higher price.

Ask the owner of a £50,000 E-type if he cares if his car doesn't have full history - probably not.

There have been a couple of cars recently with less then 1000 miles which have sold and NEVER been serviced....they still got snapped up at a significant price.

So, in short, if you are looking for short term ownership, then ideally you do need to have a comprehensive service history. If you are looking for a "car forever", then I think it is less relevant. Only my opinion of course.:smokin:The trouble is oil degrades or brakes down over time if the car is used or not,this is the reason why it needs to be changed every 2 years,a lot of owners don't know this,hence the shitty service history on a lot of low mileage cars.

[Steve B]

I bought the 1st car I looked at after about 45 minutes looking over it.... and I knew nothing about CSLs either, the seller had an easy job with me lol..


Steve

Ps mines got full history serviced at the proper times I at least checked that lol

[83SY]

I bought the first one I saw! As soon as I heard the induction noise I got my wallet out!

But! I checked service history / current owner had the extended warranty, otherwise I wouldn't have entertained buying it.

[Steve B]

As soon as I heard the induction noise I got my wallet out!




:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

Me too....lol

I'd never heard such an "angry" sound...... EVER

[83SY]

:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

Me too....lol

I'd never heard such an "angry" sound...... EVER

Until you tell your Mrs how much the upgraded suspension & brakes will cost :banghead:

[Steve B]

Until you tell your Mrs how much the upgraded suspension & brakes will cost :banghead:


She doesn't ask, I don't tell.... Far easier :bigcry::bigcry:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Until you tell your Mrs how much the upgraded suspension & brakes will cost :banghead:
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[83SY]

Me too! :beer: .... Just hope she never looks on this forum!

[irishsteve]

Has anyone had a look at this? I'm seriously considering a look if it's still around after Christmas.

I have emailed Nick about this car today, again it's slightly over my budget, which I should have mentioned is £29.5k, leaving me something left in the pot for a PPI, insurance and any niggles that might need sorting.
Nick Johnson also has Rager54's car currently for sale - 27,000 miles and on at a tiny bit over £30k. I know he looked after it well and hardly drove it, so it's worth a look.

[Ramsden15]

Has anyone had a look at this? I'm seriously considering a look if it's still around after Christmas.

I Have.

[Neil M]

Has anyone had a look at this? I'm seriously considering a look if it's still around after Christmas.

Hello 'irishsteve' and welcome to CSL-Ville - The Register.:supz:
Send 'Ramsden15' a pm he went to view two weeks ago, so he's up to speed on the NJ cars available. :thumbs:

[irishsteve]

Hello 'irishsteve' and welcome to CSL-Ville - The Register.:supz:
Send 'Ramsden15' a pm he went to view two weeks ago, so he up to speed on the NJ cars available. :thumbs:

Nice one, thanks!

Ok, where's the PM button.... :)

[Neil M]

Nice one, thanks!

Ok, where's the PM button.... :)

Find a post by Ramsden15 (earlier in this thread) then just click on the username in the left hand column and away you go - simples.:thumbs:

[irishsteve]

This is great, it's like getting free IT support. I don't get special treatment like this on other car forums :)

Find a post by Ramsden15 (earlier in this thread) then just click on the username in the left hand column and away you go - simples.:thumbs:

[Neil M]

This is great, it's like getting free IT support. I don't get special treatment like this on other car forums :)

It's only because you're a new boy (first day at school)
That'll soon change when you meet up with the rest of the crew :hahaha:

PS: There is only one 'Register' and that's this one, forums are for wanabees
The Register is for grown ups:thumbs: and for 'special' people that have been banned elsewhere.

[Steve B]

The Register is for grown ups.


You're right there, very sensible place to be :smokin:

[Ramsden15]

Just a bump to say I am still looking.:smt064

[derek]

Just a bump to say I am still looking.:smt064
Is it still one of the slower SG ones your looking for :)

[Ramsden15]

Is it still one of the slower SG ones your looking for :)

Yes, I am not ready for the faster variant.

My heart is set on a SG car but I would look at a SB car if it was immaculate inside and out. The first car I looked at was SB and the thing that has struck me since looking at SG cars is how the silver cars hide the stone chips on the front end better.

[RSJP]

does anybody know who owns the 68k sg csl nick johnson has for sale ,is he a member on here
jp

[dave wilkinson]

does anybody know who owns the 68k sg csl nick johnson has for sale ,is he a member on here
jp

john stop being a tight cunt and give nick johnson the extra £1500 :hahaha:

might not be any help mate but was searching for ap colours and came across the below thread -

http://www.speedmonkey.co.uk/2012/10/spotted-bmw-m3-csl.html

[RSJP]

john stop being a tight cunt and give nick johnson the extra £1500 :hahaha:

might not be any help mate but was searching for ap colours and came across the below thread -

http://www.speedmonkey.co.uk/2012/10/spotted-bmw-m3-csl.html

should have asked more for the ap brakes me thinks:smt055still dosent get me a number though ?????

[gingernuts]

I started out with my heart set on a SG but after derek let me have a nose round his SB car at the weekend (CHeers Derek, Much appreciated!) Ive changed my mind, something about them looks so right in the flesh!

[Ramsden15]

I started out with my heart set on a SG but after derek let me have a nose round his SB car at the weekend (CHeers Derek, Much appreciated!) Ive changed my mind, something about them looks so right in the flesh!

The first two cars I looked at back to back over a weekend were a SB and SG car. The SG car had dodgy service history but was mint, the SB car was not mint. I think it was this SG car that convinced me that's what I wanted, so I have been looking for a car as good as this one (but with correct SH) ever since. If the black one had been the mint one then perhaps I would be thinking different.

[irishsteve]

Just a bump to say I am still looking.:smt064

Me too!

Have noticed another one come up on PH (http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-3-series-e46-m3-csl-2003/984381) but not done anything about it yet what with Christmas and so on. Will give them a call next week if it's still there (unless any of you know it and advise otherwise).

[Ramsden15]

Me too!

Have noticed another one come up on PH (http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e46-m3-00-06/bmw-3-series-e46-m3-csl-2003/984381) but not done anything about it yet what with Christmas and so on. Will give them a call next week if it's still there (unless any of you know it and advise otherwise).

I don't know much about the car, I phoned them earlier in the week with my usuall questions. I did not get past my first question about service history before I was out. I am quite pedantic when it comes to these things so I would advice giving them a ring. The guy I spoke to seems like he would be good to deal with and was a CSL owner himself.

It absolutely amazes me how badly the cars I have seen have been looked after. The price of a car also does not seem to have any relation to condition and history.

[Bmf21]

What did you pick up on? Was going to look at this one!

[Ramsden15]

What did you pick up on? Was going to look at this one!

The running in service was not carried out until about 3k miles. I want to get a BMW warranty so this is a problem for me, I didn't get passed this and ask about the rest of the history. This does not mean its not a great car, just the first owner was a got in wrong. This is amazingly common for some reason.

[Steve B]

Seen several with high mileage 1st services...... I suppose back then if you'd spent £58k you didn't really care about resale value 8-10 years down the line as I bet most were sold within 3 years and replaced with another expensive car.


Steve

[Barry C]

The running in service was not carried out until about 3k miles. I want to get a BMW warranty so this is a problem for me, I didn't get passed this and ask about the rest of the history. This does not mean its not a great car, just the first owner was a got in wrong. This is amazingly common for some reason.

I seriously doubt BMW will care if a running in service was carried out 1k miles late. The car is ten years old. If there was any problem with the running in service it would have blown up long before now.

I don't know if you've ever had warranty work done but they don't inspect your service book. In my experience, they are only too happy to carry out the work no questions asked.

Just buy one!:whistle:

[Ramsden15]

I seriously doubt BMW will care if a running in service was carried out 1k miles late. The car is ten years old. If there was any problem with the running in service it would have blown up long before now.

I don't know if you've ever had warranty work done but they don't inspect your service book. In my experience, they are only too happy to carry out the work no questions asked.

Just buy one!:whistle:

I think it's possible they would be bothered if the engine had a catastrophic failure, I am sure they would at least argue the failure was attributed to poor maintenance. Of course nothing else other than engine could be effected warranty wise.

The other issue with with a late running in service is the car is less sellable. The first car I looked at had the first service at 4500 miles and when I came on here for a second opinion on the car I was told not to touch it. It was almost given the same sort of stigma at a cat d car.

[shimmy]

I seriously doubt BMW will care if a running in service was carried out 1k miles late. The car is ten years old. If there was any problem with the running in service it would have blown up long before now.

I don't know if you've ever had warranty work done but they don't inspect your service book. In my experience, they are only too happy to carry out the work no questions asked.

Just buy one!:whistle:

Barry, they do check if the spend on warranty is a big one.......take it from me.

[Bmf21]

Doesn't it become a non issues now though, what with them coming to 10 years aren't bmw going to say see u later anyway or is 100k? Is full disclosure upfront a way round it?

Is the bmw one worth it over say the warranty direct one?

Think you are right about owners of 60k motors not being too worried!

[Mark CSL]

I seriously doubt BMW will care if a running in service was carried out 1k miles late. The car is ten years old. If there was any problem with the running in service it would have blown up long before now.

I don't know if you've ever had warranty work done but they don't inspect your service book. In my experience, they are only too happy to carry out the work no questions asked.

Just buy one!:whistle:

They wanted my service book when i got the new engine but not when in for other warranty claims :thumbs:

[derek]

They wanted my service book when i got the new engine but not when in for other warranty claims :thumbs:

Same here when vanos replaced never been asked for any other claim

[Barry C]

Barry, they do check if the spend on warranty is a big one.......take it from me.

Fair enough, maybe for big claims but could they actually deny a claim because a service that was done 10 years ago was 1k miles late. Bolloxs:-D

[83SY]

Maybe not but if your paying top money for a car you want the service history to be spot on? 1000 miles over, why would anyone be so daft :(

+ resale your gunna get the odd person who wouldn't want the car, I wouldnt buy one without the correct SH, even mega low miles I would want it done every two years

[Ramsden15]

Fair enough, maybe for big claims but could they actually deny a claim because a service that was done 10 years ago was 1k miles late. Bolloxs:-D

I don't know, that's the problem, I guess it would be dealt with on an individual basis. I would have thought having a running in service 2,3 or 4 times the required mileage would be frowned upon more than a oil service 1 or 2k over. Its all about whether they can attribute the fault to the poor service history.

[Ramsden15]

Maybe not but if your paying top money for a car you want the service history to be spot on? 1000 miles over, why would anyone be so daft :(

+ resale your gunna get the odd person who wouldn't want the car, I wouldnt buy one without the correct SH, even mega low miles I would want it done every two years

This is spot on. The main issue with the cars I have looked at with poor service history is that they have been priced the same as a car with a perfect service history.

I would consider a car with less than perfect history or even maybe a late running service, but it would have to be priced accordingly, otherwise I will wait for a car with perfect history and pay the going rate for the car.

[KentM3fan]

While I am obviously extremely new here, if I may venture an opinion...

As CSLs become more "classic", the service history will get less and less relevant. To use an extreme example, the service history on a 2.7RS is basically irrelevant and the cars are sold on condition (assuming cars have equal provenance and are what they appear to be rather than a replica/ringer). Again, once more cars fall out of factory warranty schemes, then you buy on condition. A FBMWSH is a good pointer but is it any better than a car with a stack of bills from say Munich Legends? Just a thought.

BTW, I am another who is starting to look for a CSL - to replace a daily 944T and accompany a 911 and an X5. Been lurking for a little while.