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northernjim
28-09-2012, 10:01 AM
Discuss :beer:



Why has he signed for fatty brawn over at slow mercedes?

pinkpanther008
28-09-2012, 10:34 AM
IMHO He seems drawn into a world of bull5hit (manipulative management company?) that has little to do with the sport of motor racing, which from outside looks to be unsettling him over the last few years. Also his apparent relationship breakdown with his father hasn't seemed to help? :moan:

These child prodigies often seem to go a bit off when real life strikes, about the time they discover the draw of the furry magnet!? Look at Mr Woods - once he found it he couldnt help but stick it in everything with a pulse!! Affected his 'Golf' but who gives a 5hit i guess?!!!:supz:

Yanto
28-09-2012, 10:44 AM
Yes. But not because he signed for Merc.

shane@mbtech
28-09-2012, 10:58 AM
I personally think it's a good move for him.

Its easy to comment from outside, but imagine the politics going on inside f1 and inter teams. I might be wrong, he might be a little cunt, but I do t think it's all his doing.

83SY
28-09-2012, 11:47 AM
Hope the car improves as I am a Hamilton fan but I'm afraid this move looks all about the money! I would want the fastest car and win races/championships!

The Gorilla
28-09-2012, 11:55 AM
Hi,

If you look at the forthcoming Rule
Changes in F1 over the next couple
of years, and especially Engines,
then it may well prove to be a smart move.

The internal structure at Mclaren
and its overall focus is very
different now to when Hamilton first
arrived, when the Sponsors craved prizes and exposuer,
but now the Banks and Investors want their
Capital back with interest.

Not only that, did he really jump or was
he pushed, just a bit ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

83SY
28-09-2012, 12:44 PM
For me Hamilton is one of if not the fastest man in F1 but he's not a yes man 'brown noser' like Button so maybe he was pushed a touch

Hope your right & it does make some sense... Mercedes do make/build the engines.. :notworthy:

I see from you User name you may be a relation of Lewis and have inside info

Hi,

If you look at the forthcoming Rule
Changes in F1 over the next couple
of years, and especially Engines,
then it may well prove to be a smart move.

The internal structure at Mclaren
and its overall focus is very
different now to when Hamilton first
arrived, when the Sponsors craved prizes and exposuer,
but now the Banks and Investors want their
Capital back with interest.

Not only that, did he really jump or was
he pushed, just a bit ?

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Porker
28-09-2012, 01:45 PM
Looking at the rule changes for 2014, it is often said that Mercedes will have an advantage over McLaren. I hope it's true, as I would'nt like to see his talent go to waste...

Straightsix
28-09-2012, 01:54 PM
McLaren have not given Lewis a winning car since 2008.
This year he has had a very good car but no match for the Alonso/Ferrari combination.

Be interesting to see now how Hamilton and Rosberg really compare
Also be interesting to see how Perez and Button compare

I think Michael Schumacher as much as I live him he should retire. He shouldn't go back to Ferrari as not the same.

Massa seat surely isn't safe anymore ....

Would live to see a fully fit and on top form Kubica in A Ferrari

phoenixcsl
28-09-2012, 02:40 PM
I actually think its quite an interesting move.

Hamilton is one of the fastest drivers on the grid, his talent is amazing, personally as a driver I think he is fantastic, as a person he can be a bit of a spoilt twat.

If Merc can sort themselves out for the rule changes then I think he's going to be in a great race seat.

I love McLaren but they really have dropped the ball in recent years, Hamilton would have almost had this year sewn up if they didn't cock up as a team this year.

It's an exciting prospect him going to Merc, Brawn is still the best strategist imho

The Gorilla
28-09-2012, 03:25 PM
Hi,

Given the changing Internal Politics
at Mercedes, driven immensley by
Brawn that it does not have to be
German Team/German Driver,
then with Hamilton senior as your
manager, Di Resta must be looking
good for Rosberg's seat in 2014.

With Lauda now the Non-Exc Chairman
of Mercedes-AMG-Petronas, then Mercs focus is
for a F1 Title, even more so the
Contractors Championship.

Di Resta still has a lot of fans inside
AMG from his DTM days, and with
Schumi Outqualifying Roseberg
on several occasions, and the way
Di Resta has cleverly played the
''Team Game'' at Force India this year,
then no surprises if the Hamiltons are
both wearing the AMG shirt for 2014.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

pinkpanther008
28-09-2012, 03:40 PM
Can only speak as fan looking from outside the sport but even if Mac have dropped the ball on occasion this year, I think Hamilton had some good cars since 2008, just that he spent a lot of time stuffing them into walls and other drivers (particularly Massa?) at critical points in the season. He has himself contributed to failed title bids in the last few seasons.

I would say that Alonso hasn't always had the best car in many of his title bids, as earlier this year, but appears to make the most of any package he is given? Look at diff between him and Massa?

I guess if Mac keep Mercedes power for 2014 they might be given duff engines but they have Merc engines now, as in 2008, so shouldn't be an excuse if they keep partnership. Dont see Redbull suffering as engine customer?

Waht deos everybody think of the new engine rules for @2014?

What an interesting and great season it is so far, i for one am looking forward to 2014 now, a change is good as the saying goes:thumbs:

northernjim
28-09-2012, 06:52 PM
Some interesting views being aired, I can only comment as a fan( Ill informed at that) and cos I
a bit bored at an exhibition..... ( sorry John :blalalala:)


As far as I know lewis wants more than maclaren are willing to pay, so ze Germans must have equalled what he is on now, and promised a better car for 2014..... Whether they will be able to deliver that is another thing entirely.


As for him being pushed, I think he mixes in the kind of circles where people say yes to him, and I don't think maclaren want that kind of celebrity in the team. He may well end up as britains best ever driver, but he's not the complete driver just yet

Yanto
28-09-2012, 06:55 PM
He may well end up as britains best ever driver, but he's not the complete driver just yet

Very few of us around Jim :smokin:

shimmy
28-09-2012, 07:04 PM
Should be illegal.....

BRit driving for The Krauts :(

Yanto
28-09-2012, 07:50 PM
Should be illegal.....

BRit driving for The Krauts :(

And they should introduce supercharging rather than turbos, right ?

NZ_M3
29-09-2012, 08:25 AM
then with Hamilton senior as your
manager, Di Resta must be looking
good for Rosberg's seat in 2014.


You must not have been following F1 very closely ... Di Resta split with Hamilton Senior middle of this year - they are actually suing each other at the moment over the 'extra cut' Hamilton senior alledgedly have been taking without his knowledge, he's now managed by Button's manager.

As a self professed F1 nut, I am all for the move, but at the same time a little sad about Schumacher. About bloody time Hamilton got out of McLaren and Whitemarsh's politics. Time will tell if the move is a good one or not - but I suspect from here on now, at least Hamilton has a wider range of team choices post Merc - be it Redbull or Ferrari.

He is without a doubt the fastest guy out there in a single qualifying lap (be it average or good car) - even Alonso acknowledges this. But consistency and overall package as a driver on and off a track, Hamilton still has a bit of way to go.

Lot of backlash however from 'fans' of the Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 over this move.

One thing I also don't get is McLaren picking Perez as replacement - seems like a desperate move over an unknown - they might have been better off trying to secure the services of Kimi ;)

shimmy
29-09-2012, 10:28 AM
Or moi! :-D

The Gorilla
29-09-2012, 11:40 AM
Hi,

Quote-

''You must not have been following F1 very closely ... Di Resta split with Hamilton Senior middle of this year - they are actually suing each other at the moment over the 'extra cut' Hamilton senior alledgedly have been taking without his knowledge, he's now managed by Button's manager.''

I had seen the rummors early on around Feb/March
and then not paid much attention as F1 Politcs is trite.
So Hamiltons want be able to swap shirts then.

While I think the move is good for Hamilton
in regard of the forthcoming rule changes,
Perez makes commercial sense for Mclaren.

The other key point that is always
overlooked is that its Button who has constantly
'set' the car, be it practice or Race.

Hamilton is very quick, a pure Racer
like KImi etc, no doubt about it, but
he does not have the abilities like
Senna, where Senna could go out do a lap
or two and then pit and tell the team what to
adjust where, and the alterations to make,
even down to tyre pressures etc.

Jo Ramirez who was the head ''Honcho' at
Mclaren during the Senna / Prost era
stated many times that Senna was setting
Telementry, that Prost was reading.

Schumi returning to F1 was not his best move.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

AlexGTT
29-09-2012, 12:10 PM
McLaren had ebough of Lewis I guess. I think the extra contract money was their excuse to say "no thanks". I'm pretty sure the last straw was telemetry posted on Twatter. Whitmarsh froze him out after that but the writting was on the wall well before.

I also think Perez is a great signing. Button and his maturity with a young hotshot. Great combo in my eyes and he is quick. And he comes with big money backing. Actually not just big but the biggest!:thumbs:

Jon8710
29-09-2012, 01:38 PM
i hear what every one is saying and you all have valid points but you seem to be missing the biggest underline factor here

he is a total twat.

Straightsix
29-09-2012, 03:02 PM
McLaren had ebough of Lewis I guess. I think the extra contract money was their excuse to say "no thanks". I'm pretty sure the last straw was telemetry posted on Twatter. Whitmarsh froze him out after that but the writting was on the wall well before.

I also think Perez is a great signing. Button and his maturity with a young hotshot. Great combo in my eyes and he is quick. And he comes with big money backing. Actually not just big but the biggest!:thumbs:

Why did Hamilton post telemetry on Twitter ?

M5 Powered
29-09-2012, 04:02 PM
Lewis posted them to make a point to his team that the car was slow which Martin Whitmarsh got really pissed off about.

Interesting comments. I've been following this quite closely and it was amusing for Autosport to call it wrong in last weeks mag.

Sky's F1 channel had Martin Brundell on via Skype who also agreed that it probably was Hamiltons best move despite 19 (management company) not having a fucking clue what they are doing and why talks have taken months.

Reading between the lines though, the strategy seems to be for Merc to sacrifice next year in order to challenge for the title in 2014 with the new engines they will be producing and to to whom Mclaren will be a customer for.

Also Hamilton was pretty much asked to effectively take a pay cut by not getting
the increase requested. Ironically this was the same amount that Merc has ended up offering him but with more commercial freedom that comes with their team anyway. Braun said on camera they had made no extra allowances in the offer to him.

Of course none of this changes the fact that Hamilton has far too many distractions off track and constantly travelling to Hollywood to be with his pussydoll. Also the relations with his Daddy don't really help.

Furthermore, more commercial freedom will only mean more photo shots, film voice overs etc.. especially as the US wants a slice of F1. On that note am sure Bernie has been whispering in various ears during this whole episode. Afterall, Lewis was the key to significantly changing the driver line-up which then makes the sport more interesting. In fact am sure Bernie will be greasing the track for the mid-west USA viewers. :whistle:

Anyway, next six races are going to be interesting. :)

Kindest,

J.

AlexGTT
29-09-2012, 04:52 PM
Hamilton posted it to show his car was slow but Buttons wasn't and it was Hamiltons choice to go with the wrong wing. Either way, you don't shit on your own doorstep. Button was nowhere earlier this season but behaved perfectly.

It gave Whitmarsh the excuse he needed to turn down more money and freeze him out. I still say it was McLaren who effectively told him to f*ck off, good move for Hamilton or not.

AlexGTT
29-09-2012, 04:55 PM
Oh and to answer the op, he's a genius driver but a complete cock. You never know, he could turn that round.

northernjim
29-09-2012, 06:12 PM
Oh and to answer the op, he's a genius driver but a complete cock. You never know, he could turn that round.



I understood this post:hahaha::clown:

Straightsix
29-09-2012, 10:51 PM
Lewis posted them to make a point to his team that the car was slow which Martin Whitmarsh got really pissed off about.



Kindest,

J.

Hamilton can't complain his car is slow if button stuck it on pole ?

And if Hamilton was not on pole because of his setup then that was down to his setup.

Button is like a fine wine. So much more respect for him than his pre-Brawn days

shane@mbtech
29-09-2012, 11:28 PM
i hear what every one is saying and you all have valid points but you seem to be missing the biggest underline factor here

he is a total twat.

Please elaborate?

Then please see your signature and the irony is quite amusing.

northernjim
30-09-2012, 12:40 AM
Please elaborate?

Then please see your signature and the irony is quite amusing.



:hahaha::hahaha::beer:

83SY
02-10-2012, 02:29 PM
Come on you cant blame the guy for wanting to be on his 'Pussycat doll' as much as possible :smt055

I think he will win the championship 2014 :supz:

Lewis posted them to make a point to his team that the car was slow which Martin Whitmarsh got really pissed off about.

Interesting comments. I've been following this quite closely and it was amusing for Autosport to call it wrong in last weeks mag.

Sky's F1 channel had Martin Brundell on via Skype who also agreed that it probably was Hamiltons best move despite 19 (management company) not having a fucking clue what they are doing and why talks have taken months.

Reading between the lines though, the strategy seems to be for Merc to sacrifice next year in order to challenge for the title in 2014 with the new engines they will be producing and to to whom Mclaren will be a customer for.

Also Hamilton was pretty much asked to effectively take a pay cut by not getting
the increase requested. Ironically this was the same amount that Merc has ended up offering him but with more commercial freedom that comes with their team anyway. Braun said on camera they had made no extra allowances in the offer to him.

Of course none of this changes the fact that Hamilton has far too many distractions off track and constantly travelling to Hollywood to be with his pussydoll. Also the relations with his Daddy don't really help.

Furthermore, more commercial freedom will only mean more photo shots, film voice overs etc.. especially as the US wants a slice of F1. On that note am sure Bernie has been whispering in various ears during this whole episode. Afterall, Lewis was the key to significantly changing the driver line-up which then makes the sport more interesting. In fact am sure Bernie will be greasing the track for the mid-west USA viewers. :whistle:

Anyway, next six races are going to be interesting. :)

Kindest,

J.

M5 Powered
02-10-2012, 07:26 PM
Hamilton can't complain his car is slow if button stuck it on pole ?

They were running slightly different aero (downforce) packages that weekend. Reality was that Hamilton was probably 'preoccupied' and Button had his perfect setup.

I do like Button, just wish he didn't have to have such a perfect setup unlike Alonso who can drive work around setup issues.

Come on you cant blame the guy for wanting to be on his 'Pussycat doll' as much as possible

I think he will win the championship 2014

Nope, I wouldn't kick her out of bed but she wouldn't be my first choice. :hahaha:

Think your gonna be right about 2014! :beer: